[bksvol-discuss] Re: new books and Daisy navigation, or lack of it.

  • From: Cindy Ray <cindyray@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:01:52 -0500

Well, but the fact remains that if you are doing research, especially for a 
professor, you have to do the very best to conform to "ancient" requirements. I 
once hired a reader to help me once I had the research was done, though this is 
a drag. Eventually academia will have to conform as more and more is done 
on-line and by E-books.

CL

On Sep 30, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Bob W wrote:

> Evan, I'm going to ignore your earlier comment about Mayrie's "loud 
> clothing", though I loved it. I just can't out do it.
> 
> Our friends at Teleread.org had some timely comments about the lack of page 
> numbers in ebooks.
> http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/how-do-you-cite-an-e-books-page-number/
> "How do you cite an e-book’s ‘page number’?"
> 
> Basically they say that the academic world needs to join the twenty-first 
> century. And, I agree.
> 
> Fortunately, this isn't bookshare's problem to solve. I suspect the Daisy 
> consortium will have to take it up at some point.
> 
> I'd like to know more about how the Kendal's "location" number is derived.
> 
> If I had to cite a portion of a book I would use the line numbers given by 
> the jaws "j" command, if you are reading the .xml version of the book, or 
> shift+f1 if you are using Kurzweil. I'd like to see some absent-minded 
> professor trying to figure out how my line numbers conform to his 
> tree-killing outdated book.
> 
> Just my opinion.
> 
> Bob
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 1:32 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: new books and Daisy navigation, or lack of it.
> 
> 
> The whole idea of pages needs to be either dropped or redefined. With Kindle
> books outselling hardcover print books, and the trend toward electronic
> books becoming the dominant form of publishing, it's a bit silly to try to
> cling to an obsolete model of book navigation based on dead trees.
> 
> There are certainly just as good methods of citing material in a book
> without page numbers. For example, just one idea I thought up over breakfast
> this morning, you could have links to each paragraph in a book. They would
> not be visible of course, unless you hit a button on your electronic book
> reader; then the link for that paragraph would be displayed. If you needed
> to cite a specific passage in a book, you could just point to that link. You
> could have links to any number of features in a book, even to every word if
> it were thought to be desirable.
> 
> Another example is that my Book Sense has menu items for paragraph and
> phrase navigation in the NLS and Learning Ally books that I read. They don't
> work right now, but certainly someone out there anticipated that these
> would, or at least may, be features of a future version of Daisy. So that
> capability is either envisioned, or already in process of development.
> 
> I'm sure that cleverer methods than the one I just thought up over breakfast
> this morning could be devised, or are being developed right now. It seems
> unlikely that people smarter than I am haven't thought about this issue.
> 
> The point is that it is silly to try to hold onto an outmoded method of
> finding material or moving around in a book when it is published in a format
> that has nothing to do with the older form of publishing. I wonder if people
> tried to retain whatever methods for scroll navigation there were when books
> started to become dominant? Probably so.
> 
> Evan
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:02 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: new books and Daisy navigation, or lack of it.
> 
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Here's a thought, if a page is equal to fifty lines, then could there be a
>> line counter?   At least then, no matter what type of print there is, you
>> could go to line 300 or line 1335.  There needs to be some way to quantify
>> the text besides just via chapter headings.  Maybe the problem can be
>> solved by a line counter.   The number of lines are going to be different
>> depending on size of print, but having this as a mark-up in the DAISY code
>> might be helpful.
>> 
>> What you would do is have the program count every fifty lines and insert a
>> line number into the text.  Is that doable?
>> 
>> Ann P.
>> 
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