[bksvol-discuss] Re: my disappointment
- From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:42:04 -0500
Hi Lori,
I would put a blank lline between the asterisks and anything else, chapter
headings or book titles, and a blank line before the core text of the page.
Sue S.
Sue S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lori Castner" <loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:03 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: my disappointment
Hi, Sue,
Am I correct that you do not put a blank line between the row of asterisks
and the first line of text?
Lori
----- Original Message -----
From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:24 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: my disappointment
>
> Hi Lori,
>
> I do not move page numbers. Something that always, and I do mean always,
> works for me is that before the chapter heading or story title at the top
> of
> the page, I put six asterisks, or stars. The stripper usually gets them,
> but even if it left them, no harm would be done and my headers are
> protected. I use this order:
> page break
> blank line
> ******
> chapter one
> blank line
> Body of text.
>
> I hope this doesn't start a whole thread, but it does work for me, at
> least.
>
> HTH,
>
> Sue S.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lori Castner" <loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 3:53 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: my disappointment
>
>
> Dear Lissi and All,
>
> Thank you for your kind words about the work that Mike and I do.
>
> Honestly, I have resisted moving page numbers from the bottoms of pages
> and
> have found that inserting the word "header" when needed is less
> time-intensive. However, since that word is not always stripped by the
> nototorious stripper, I'm beginning to think that moving the page numbers
> and having them appear as you describe is the only foolproof way to
> protect
> single lines and chapter titles at the tops of pages.
>
> I'll add the book you mention to my long list of books to read.
>
> Cat Lover Lori
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:15 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: my disappointment
>
>
>> Dear Lori, and Booksharian Friends,
>>
>> Lori, I wish we could get the 2 people you know who unsubscribed back
>> because with validators and submittors like you and Mike, the quality of
>> the collection is becoming noticeably better.
>>
>> We blame the notorious Bookshare volunteer who is sometimes at fault, but
>> I know that some of those volunteers are among the best submittors I
>> know.
>> It will be good for the system and all of us when submittors and
>> volunteers are identified by either an assigned ID from Bookshare or
>> their
>> names, they're choice.
>>
>> Now that validators are getting equal compensation, I think they bear
>> half
>> of the blame for messy books. I know of an instance where the submittor
>> believed a book was excellent and gave credit to the validator saying
>> they'd both read the book through. I downloaded it and found that the top
>> two lines of over 100 pages were unreadable. They couldn't possibly have
>> read the book through.
>>
>> Those volunteers who are reading their books through carefully have my
>> heartfelt thanks. Not only because I read Bookshare books in braille and
>> appreciate the accuracy but because accurate books, as Lori says, are the
>> basis for paid subscribers to sign up year after year.
>>
>> Reading the books through takes more time, but the results stand up where
>> it counts, when subscribers read them. I'd rather see 25 truly accurate
>> books being approved in x amount of time, than 100 sketchy, error spotted
>> books being approved in the same time span.
>>
>> We've got nearly 40,000 books. Jake will probably put out the word when
>> we
>> hit that landmark. But, what good are 40,000 books if the collection as a
>> whole has a reputation among readers as being sloppy?
>>
>> Lori, it may save you a little work to know that you don't need to put
>> header at the tops of pages to protect chapter titles and first lines as
>> long as there is a blank line, a page number, and another blank line
>> above
>> the written content whether it's a title or a line of text. You don't
>> have
>> to take the trouble of writing or deleting the word header. The reason we
>> don't use a word on the top line is because the stripper can't be counted
>> on to remove substitutions for headers just as it doesn't consistently
>> remove headers themselves. . We've learned through practice that a blank
>> line, page number and blank line are ignored completely by the stripper.
>> This combination gives the stripper nothing to do and so it leaves the
>> page alone. What we get when the book is processed is all of the page
>> numbers and chapter names, nothing extra and nothing cut out.
>>
>> For anyone who likes police procedurals, I'll be uploading my validation
>> from an excellent scan of Hire A Hangman by Collin Wilcox. , 248 pages of
>> nuts and bolts detective work with plenty of suspects for two murders.
>> Shameless promotion? Yep! I hope some of you will read it.
>>
>> Always with love,
>>
>> Lissi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lori Castner" <loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:51 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: my disappointment
>>
>>
>>> You know, Jill; unfortunately, you are making an important point. I
>>> personally know two people who did not renew Bookshare memberships
>>> because of the quality of the books--they both expect perfection.
>>>
>>> I have read several books from Bookshare with some errors--maybe thirty
>>> or so--and that does not bother me, but the quality of the books in the
>>> Bookshare collection are Bookshare and convey to members what is
>>> acceptable.
>>>
>>> I agree with you that a validator or a submitter must read a book
>>> through
>>> in order to discover errors. I have read through every book I have
>>> submitted, and I have read through every book I have validated. I'm
>>> certainly far from perfect and know that sometimes when I put the word
>>> "header" in to protect something else that the word has not been
>>> stripped; I feel bad about that.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure of the answer, but sympathize with your concern.
>>>
>>> Cat Lover Lori who wants everyone who has ever joined Bookshare to
>>> recomend it to others and to rave about the quality of the books
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jill O'Connell" <jillocon@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:09 PM
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] my disappointment
>>>
>>>
>>>>I know I'm preaching to the choir here but I guess I hope someone from
>>>>Bookshare staff will see this and begin to think how the situation can
>>>>be
>>>>improved. I am presently reading for pleasure Out of the Deep I cry by
>>>>Julia Spencer-fleming. It is a mystery and I highly recommend her books
>>>>for you mystery buffs out there. This book has an excellent rating and
>>>>was scanned, of course, by the infamous bookshare volunteer. I may be
>>>>exaggerating a bit but there is hardly a page in this book that does not
>>>>have a mistake of some type, including such things as die for the, mat
>>>>for that, etc. etc. My point in talking about this is to say that it is
>>>>obvious that neither the submitter nor the validator read this book. In
>>>>my opinion if the submitter has not read the book being submitted, this
>>>>should be made clear, then hopefully only a validator who is interested
>>>>in reading the book should take it. I can understand if someone
>>>>volunteers to scan a book on the wish list that they are really not that
>>>>interested in, but in that case it is even more important that
>>>>thevalidator wants to read the book. If no validator wants to read it
>>>>including the person who put it on the wish list, then I would suggest
>>>>that the book isn't worth being in the colection. I hope some day I feel
>>>>like taking the time to rescan this book because I am ashamed that it
>>>>will be left on the excellent list otherwise. And, of course, that means
>>>>Bookshare will pay $10 instead of $5 to have the book in the collection.
>>>>I know this book can't have been in the collection for a long time by
>>>>the
>>>>way it is presented in braille. That means that scanners are capable of
>>>>doing a far better job of scanning than is seen here. I recently
>>>>validated a book submitted by Jim Baugh and you know what a great job he
>>>>does. I was reading the book along with others and realized I was really
>>>>holding up his book too long so I put it through Kurzweil's paces and
>>>>submitted it. When I picked it up later as an approved book to finish
>>>>reading it, I recorded 22 mistakes that I had missed. That is an
>>>>acceptable number even though I feel bad about it but I think it proves
>>>>how necessary it is that someone, be it submitter or validator really
>>>>reads the book from cover to cover. And now that validators are being
>>>>paid $2.50 per book, that means that only twenty books need to be read
>>>>carefully per year in order to maintain a free membership. Thank you all
>>>>for letting me vent and I sincerely hope that the Bookshare staff can
>>>>find some way to express these concerns to those volunteers not on this
>>>>list. Jill
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