[bksvol-discuss] Re: long dashes.
- From: "Deborah Murray" <blinkeeblink@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 02:25:04 -0500
Not long ago someone, I think maybee Jake, told us we should leave the
m-dashes and ellipses intact. A future version of the BookShare conversion
software is supposed to be able to properly convert them to braille.
BTW: the code for an m-dash is alt plus 0151. Works in K1000 and in MSWord.
Deborah
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 1:18 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: long dashes.
I think there are two questions here, first, what to do about the long
dashes, and two how to submit the book.
Firstly, you can either change the long dashes to two hyphens, or just leave
it alone and some validator can deal with it. If I were validating the book
I would change the long dash to two hyphens.
Secondly, the question about whether to submit the book in .rtf or .kes
format is an easy one. When in doubt, change it to .rtf. That way you get
the benefit of validators with Kurzweil, openbook, or msword. If you leave
it as a .kes file then the book has to wait until a validator with Kurzweil
can get to it.
Just my opinion.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:37 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: long dashes.
> Thank you Rick, I'll do that with my copy after I've sent the *.rtf file
> to
> be proofed, as it were. I wonder which ASCII character the "long dash" is?
>
> Take care.
>
> Curtis Delzer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RJ / KJ" <d28rik@xxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:25 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: long dashes.
>
>
> I'm glad someone brought up the business of the long dash. Especially as
> it
> relates to Kurzweil.
> I too have been bothered by this, mostly when I read using the speech in
> Kurzweil. It takes the two words that are connected by a long dash, and
> not
> otherwise separated, and the speech is mostly unrecognizable.
>
> I have addressed this on a couple of occasions:
>
> 1. In Kurzeile, I find a long dash, and copy just the characther by
> itself
> to the clip board.
> 2. Then I go to the the top of the file
> 3. Then I open the Search dialog. I paste in the long dash character in
> the
> Search For field.
> 4. Then I hit ALT R to open the Replace With field.
> 5. I then paste in the long dash there.
> 6. I type in a space after the long dash.
> 7. Then from there, you can either use the Replace All or go to the Next
> occurance and replace it or not.
>
> All it does is put a space after the long dash, so now there is a
> separator,
> and the speech reads it correctly.
> I don't know if this would be considered a bad thing, as far as editing
> the
> text.
> But since it reads much, much better, I think it is justifiable.
>
> Perhaps someone may comment.
>
> Note, as someone else stated, Jaws just says em dash, and when reading I
> don't thinking it really verbalizes the long dash, at least not to the
> irritating extent that the kurzweill does. Using my FM transmitter, I've
> recently started to read lots of my files, news etc with the K-1000. I've
> not heard the long dashes with anything except my scanned books. So I
> don't
> know why that might be.
>
> Thanks.
> Rik
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:08 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: long dashes.
>
>
> It just makes reading them a little weird since synthesizers tend to
> ignore
> them, making the pronunciation, strange.
>
> Curtis Delzer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: EVAN REESE <mailto:mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:47 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: long dashes.
>
> You don't need to do anything about the long dashes. What Kurzweil calls
> the
> "long dash" is just another name for the em dash, a common punctuation
> mark.
> Converting the file to rtf should not affect the em dashes in any way. If
> you convert the file to rtf and then open it up in word, I am confident
> that
> you will see the em dashes intact. I have done it many times.
>
> Evan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Curtis Delzer <mailto:curtis@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:11 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] long dashes.
>
> Hi all. I need some advice. I just finished scanning a book entitled
> "Jitterbug," by
>
> Loren D. Estleman
>
> and in it, Kurzweil 1000 V11 recognizes the long dashes. Should I do
> something about that before I export to *.rtf, or should I submit it in
> *.kes format? The scan is quite good after I changed "die," to "the,"
> where
> fortunately there weren't too many "dies," in the book. :)
>
> Thanks! I submitted a book many years ago, "A Tiger Walks," by Ian
> Niall," written in 1961, and actually scanned by, get a load of this, a
> Kurzweil Personal Reader, and it was practically perfect, in 1992. How's
> that for an ancient scan? :)
>
>
>
> Curtis Delzer
>
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