[bksvol-discuss] Re: let's decide on the fate of this poor book

  • From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:10:37 -0700

Bob wrote:
I think this book's history confirms a complaint of mine concerning the
 book process.  That complaint is that we cannot cooperate on a book. Each
time the book  when back to step 1 the next person had to start fresh
without the benefit  of the previous validator's work or experience with the
book.

I *so* agree! There is no reason why validators should not be able to
share books for assistance or whatever. If Bookshare staff is gonna
site copyright violation issues as a reason not to do this, then
sighted volunteers shouldn't be allowed at all since they're not print
disabled. This really does need to be addressed by staff. If there are
other reasons I'd like to hear them because I am frankly a mushroom
(I'll explain that privately if you're not aware of the joke) when it
comes to this particular problem. Reinventing the wheel has never been
a good idea & nothing has improved on it w/time.

On 12/13/07, Lisa Belville <lisab12@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi, E. and all.
>
> I think I'd wait a couple of days before deciding to reject the book.  It
> looks like the user's time expired on the 12 of this month, and, IMO,
> that's really not long enough to decide that this same user won't download
> the book again.
>
> Isn't Jim Nuttall on the list?  perhaps we could ask him just how messy this
> book is.
>
> I agree that validators who have a history of keeping books for months and
> months and then releasing them is a problem right up there with submitters
> who aren't interested in improving their scans.  I'm not sure how Bookshare
> could deal with this without alienating some volunteers.  It's going to take
> more diplomacy than I possess, that's for sure.  <grins>
>
> I've gotten into the habit of reading the history before I download anything
> to validate.  If it was returned to step 1 a few days earlier, and if
> there's a consistent history of the same user renewing a book several days
> after the edit time expired, I'll find something else to work on.
>
> Let's keep in mind that an unexpected illness, emergency, or computer crash
> could prevent a conscientious validator from finishing a validation.  If
> someone doesn't have a way of communicating this to anyone, then
> unfortunately, the book is fair game for downloading.
>
> I have a particular book I've been working on for several months, but I
> don't plan to release it without uploading it to the approval cue unless
> something unforeseen happens.
>
> Just my pre-coffee two cents on this issue.
>
> Lisa
>
> ---------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:21 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] let's decide on the fate of this poor book
>
>
> >I am doing my part to shepherd less than excellent books off of step 1. My
> >queue is full for now.
> >
> > I came across the following book. It has a long history. Perhaps somebody
> > can decide if it needs re-scanning or can be fixed up.
> >
> > The biology of violence: how understanding the brain, behavior, and
> > environment can
> > break the vicious circle of aggression (hold for Sarah(
> > Author:
> > Debra Niehoff
> > Language:
> > English
> > Format:
> > RTF (Rich Text Format)
> > Brief Synopsis:
> > none
> > Version Comment:
> > Good, some errors.
> > Long Synopsis:
> > Categories:
> > Health, Mind and Body
> > Nonfiction
> > Science
> > Comment History:
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-12-12 07:12:40-08
> > User: James Nuttall
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-12-12 06:07:25-08
> > User: James Nuttall
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-10-17 06:44:39-07
> > User: James Nuttall
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-10-17 05:09:30-07
> > User: James Nuttall
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-09-05 00:16:28-07
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > Edit time expired.
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-08-28 11:28:32-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-08-28 11:28:32-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-08-21 09:17:09-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-08-21 09:17:09-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-08-14 20:25:51-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-08-14 20:25:51-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-08-08 17:24:10-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-08-08 17:24:10-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-08-01 20:28:54-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-08-01 20:28:54-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-07-26 09:27:13-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-07-26 09:27:13-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-07-20 07:27:41-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-07-20 07:27:41-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-07-14 01:42:05-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-07-14 01:42:03-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-07-08 18:15:40-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-07-08 00:16:37-07
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > Edit time expired.
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-07-01 08:36:54-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-07-01 00:16:45-07
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > Edit time expired.
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-06-24 03:46:56-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-06-24 00:16:18-07
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > Edit time expired.
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-06-17 15:22:31-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-06-17 00:16:15-07
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > Edit time expired.
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-06-10 03:05:06-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-06-10 00:16:16-07
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > Edit time expired.
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-06-03 11:20:04-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-06-03 11:20:04-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-05-28 08:59:05-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-05-28 08:59:05-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-05-23 00:17:17-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-05-23 00:16:14-07
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > Edit time expired.
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-05-16 02:50:04-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-05-16 02:50:04-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-05-12 02:20:09-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-05-12 02:20:09-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-05-06 16:45:34-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-05-06 16:45:34-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-04-30 15:22:48-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-04-30 15:22:48-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-04-26 18:56:45-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-04-26 18:56:45-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-04-22 12:57:43-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-04-12 05:03:22-07
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > Edit time expired.
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-04-05 15:54:11-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-04-05 15:54:11-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-04-01 23:39:14-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-04-01 23:39:14-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-03-26 04:15:22-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-03-26 04:15:22-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-03-19 15:21:43-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-03-19 15:21:43-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-03-15 05:28:46-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-03-15 05:28:46-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-03-11 16:45:20-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-02-13 05:07:46-08
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > Edit time expired.
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-02-06 15:07:52-08
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-02-06 15:05:17-08
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-02-05 09:32:14-08
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-02-05 09:32:14-08
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-02-01 13:55:59-08
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-02-01 13:55:59-08
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-01-26 09:47:29-08
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-01-26 09:47:29-08
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-01-22 07:07:53-08
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-01-22 07:07:53-08
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-01-18 18:16:48-08
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-01-18 18:16:48-08
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-01-13 18:17:12-08
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-01-13 18:17:12-08
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2007-01-09 06:10:26-08
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-01-09 06:10:26-08
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2007-01-05 10:38:18-08
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2006-12-18 04:50:02-08
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > Edit time expired.
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2006-12-11 17:18:58-08
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2006-12-11 17:18:58-08
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2006-12-05 19:36:43-08
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2006-12-05 04:33:15-08
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > Edit time expired.
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2006-11-28 22:04:10-08
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2006-11-28 22:04:10-08
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2006-11-22 22:24:03-08
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2006-11-22 22:24:03-08
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2006-11-16 06:38:45-08
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2006-11-16 06:38:45-08
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2006-11-10 12:08:30-08
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2006-11-10 12:08:30-08
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2006-11-04 08:25:49-08
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2006-11-04 04:43:34-08
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > Edit time expired.
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2006-10-28 17:53:24-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2006-10-28 17:53:24-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2006-10-22 05:17:19-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2006-10-22 05:17:18-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2006-10-17 19:42:56-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2006-10-17 19:42:56-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2006-10-11 15:46:36-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2006-10-11 15:46:36-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2006-10-06 05:39:22-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2006-10-06 04:28:48-07
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > Edit time expired.
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2006-09-29 10:18:11-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2006-09-26 04:24:06-07
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > Edit time expired.
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2006-09-19 05:58:58-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2006-07-09 08:27:13-07
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > Edit time expired.
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2006-07-02 20:52:27-07
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: RETURNNEW
> > Date: 2006-06-24 11:01:30-07
> > User: a Bookshare.org Volunteer
> > Edit time expired.
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: EDIT
> > Date: 2006-06-17 09:03:45-07
> > User: Sarah Blake
> > ---------------------------------
> > Action: SUBMIT
> > Date: 2006-06-17 07:53:23-07
> > User: Amber Wallenstein
> > Leave for Sarah.
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