[bksvol-discuss] Re: fractions -- was Re: Re: Credit Suggestion

  • From: "Jill O'Connell" <jillocon@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 07:54:11 -0700

Mayrie's representation was correct both in speech and in braille. Of course, I don't like the addition of the dots 4,5,6 before the slash but then we can't have everything! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>

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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: fractions -- was Re: Re: Credit Suggestion


Hi Mike,

Last I knew, the braille translator could handle fractions like this 1/2,
but not the fraction symbols that Word generates without turning off its
auto correct feature for them.  I haven't looked at a braille book in the
bookshare collection containing fractions in a while, so don't know if
anything has changed though.

Mayrie



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:32 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] fractions -- was Re: Re: Credit Suggestion

Seems like this could be a problem of the braille translation program.
It would have to be able to recognize the way proofers are writing fractions
and convert them to the Nemeth code.  And if we could figure out what form
the braille converter will make proper fractions from, that will probably
mess up what would be spoken by text to speech.

*sigh*

Misha

Kim Friedman wrote:
Hi, Debby, the fractions you wrote down were heard by my screen reader
but my BrailleNote didn't see them but just as a couple of marks and
not in the way I've seen fractions look in Braille cookbooks from NLS
or fractions in a math book. Regards, Kim.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Debby
Franson
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:36 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Credit Suggestion

Hi Jill and everyone!

Whenever I have submitted a cookbook, I have made sure all fractions
are correct.  I have wondered how accurate other Bookshare cookbooks
were until joining this list when I have found that many volunteers
take care to correct the scanos, since fractions are usually horrible
for OCR to get right.

The first cookbook I downloaded years ago was "The I Hate to Cook"
cookbook.  The fractions were not written as 1/2 and 1/4 but the
higher ASCII characters for those fractions, so, unless I was left' or
right-arrowing over those fractions, Window-Eyes ignored them
entirely, so I hope that people always use the 1/2 and 1/4 form of the
fractions so they are read rather than ignored by synthetic speech..
I suspect those higher ASCII characters don't show up well on a
braille display either.  Am I right?  Here they are to test:

¼ ½

Debby

At 09:46 PM 5/6/2010, Jill O'Connell wrote

I hope you sent your suggestion to the volunteer coordinator where it
might possibly do some good. It is really disappointing to download a
recipe book and find it virtually unreadable.

----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx>Melissa Smith
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Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 7:03 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Credit Suggestion

If only the outsourcers did as fine a job as many of the scanners
and proofers on this list. I don't know how many books I've read,
that were done by the outsourcers, that were poorly done. I do make
quality reports when warranted. Not to mention the fact that, I was
told a few months ago by Bookshare staff, that the outsourcers
wouldn't be working on any more cookbooks.


Melissa Smith
On 5/6/2010 5:31 PM, Jamie Yates, CPhT wrote:

One idea is to let the more complicated books be handled by
staff/outsourcers.

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