Hi Tracy, I'm sorry. Since the rules say that a fragment of a sentence should have the ellipsis be followed by the period you should format it like this: "Well, John ...." I'm sorry, you are right, I did neglect that option. Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:29 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: ellipses wasRe: proofing manual Yes, I read that. I guess it is too vague for me. You gave examples of everything except the situation I have a question about. Should it be "Well, John ...." or "Well, John ... ."? I know how it should come out in braille, but I'm not sure how to format it so that the braille translator makes it happen. Tracy > Hi Tracy, > > This is from the later part of the information I posted. Does this > help, or is it too vague? > > An ellipsis and a period. Sometimes an ellipsis appears to be four > dots rather than three. This is because the ellipsis is either > preceded or followed by a period. Since the braille period is not the > same as the dots of an ellipsis, it must be determined which of the > four dots is the period. > > If the sentence is incomplete, does not contain a subject and a verb > and express a complete thought, then the ellipsis is taking the place > of missing words within the sentence--in which the period immediately > follows the ellipsis, just as it would a word. If a sentence is > gramatically complete, the first dot represents the period and the > ellipsis represents a following missing sentence or sentences. In this > case a blank cell (a space) is left between the period and the > following ellipsis. > Example: > As you can see, I have followed your career. ... As to my own .... > Well, you know the story. > > Mayrie > > > Mayrie > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tracy > Carcione > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:43 AM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: ellipses wasRe: proofing manual > > Mayrie, you left out what to do if the elipsis comes at the end of the > sentence, and there are 4 dots. "Well, John ...." > Is there a space after the elipsis in that case, or not? > Tracy > >> Hi Cindy, >> >> Here is how to handle the ellipsis. >> >> Formatting The Ellipsis >> >> The ellipsis should be punctuated as if it were a word. Examples: >> "Fools rush in ..." >> >> "... for they shall inherit the earth" >> "Breathe, Mellissa. In ... and out. In ... >> and out." >> An ellipsis and a period. Sometimes an ellipsis appears to be four >> dots rather than three. This is because the ellipsis is either >> preceded or followed by a period. Since the braille period is not the >> same as the dots of an ellipsis, it must be determined which of the >> four dots is the period. >> >> If the sentence is incomplete, does not contain a subject and a verb >> and express a complete thought, then the ellipsis is taking the place >> of missing words within the sentence--in which the period immediately >> follows the ellipsis, just as it would a word. If a sentence is >> gramatically complete, the first dot represents the period and the >> ellipsis represents a following missing sentence or sentences. In >> this case a blank cell (a space) is left between the period and the >> following ellipsis. >> Example: >> As you can see, I have followed your career. ... As to my own .... >> Well, you know the story. >> >> >> >> >> Mayrie >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy >> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:18 PM >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: ellipses wasRe: proofing manual >> >> >> oh, dear; now I can't remember, and I can't find ellipses in my notes >> on my desktop. Are we now supposed to have no space before and after >> the ellipses? >> >> >> >> >> --- On Tue, 8/14/12, Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: proofing manual >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Date: Tuesday, August 14, 2012, 3:47 AM >> >> >> Hi Aidee, >> >> There will be very few changes to the content of the scanning and >> proofreading manual. Footnotes will be handled differently in >> future, and the ellipsis as well (it was misrepresented in the >> current manual), but there is no reason you can't use the current >> manual to learn. >> >> Happy proofreading. >> >> Mayrie >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of aidee campa >> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 11:11 PM >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] proofing manual >> >> I wanted to start proofing soon, but I'm aware that Mayrie is still >> revising the proofing manual. Should I go by what the current one >> says or should I wait until the revised one is up? Thank you all for >> your help. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Aidee >> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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