Hey Mayrie,It is not only the singlle elipsis symbol that is incorrectly translated by Bookshare's braille translator. Sorry to disagree with you, but I have seen it in books I have proofed and I always make sure there are three characters to the elipsis, and I always follow the rules.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:07 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: ellipses wasRe: proofing manual Hi Aidee, There are a couple of reasons that I can think of that the ellipsis would come out as you say. The dot 3 results, I believe, by the single-character ellipsis being used in the book during proofreading instead of three periods. And if the proofreader didn't put spaces on either side of an ellipsis then they won't be there in the braille copy. We can only blame the braille translator for not being able to translate the single-character ellipsis. The issue of ellipsis lacking spaces around them is a proofreading issue. Hope that helps. Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of aidee campa Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 11:45 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: ellipses wasRe: proofing manual So, the reason ellipses don't always come out right in .brf files from bookshare is due to the braille translator? What I mean by ellipses not coming out right is that in braille there will be instead of the symbol for ellipsis, just a dot 3, sometimes not separated from the two words on either side of it. Or the symbol will be right but there won't be any spaces between it and the words on either side of it. I'm just curious, that's all. Thank you all for your help. On 8/15/12, Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Susan, Alisa's e-mail address is alisam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Susan Lumpkin Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:59 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: ellipses wasRe: proofing manual That sure looks funny to me in braille, Mayrie. How do I reach Alysa? Thanks. Susan -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:02 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: ellipses wasRe: proofing manual Hi Tracy, I'm sorry. Since the rules say that a fragment of a sentence should have the ellipsis be followed by the period you should format it like
this:
"Well, John ...." I'm sorry, you are right, I did neglect that option. Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:29 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: ellipses wasRe: proofing manual Yes, I read that. I guess it is too vague for me. You gave examples of everything except the situation I have a question about. Should it be "Well, John ...." or "Well, John ... ."? I know how it should come out in braille, but I'm not sure how to format it so that the braille translator makes it happen. TracyHi Tracy, This is from the later part of the information I posted. Does this help, or is it too vague? An ellipsis and a period. Sometimes an ellipsis appears to be four dots rather than three. This is because the ellipsis is either preceded or followed by a period. Since the braille period is not the same as the dots of an ellipsis, it must be determined which of the four dots is the period. If the sentence is incomplete, does not contain a subject and a verb and express a complete thought, then the ellipsis is taking the place of missing words within the sentence--in which the period immediately follows the ellipsis, just as it would a word. If a sentence is gramatically complete, the first dot represents the period and the ellipsis represents a following missing sentence or sentences. In this case a blank cell (a space) is left between the period and the following ellipsis. Example: As you can see, I have followed your career. ... As to my own .... Well, you know the story. Mayrie Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:43 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: ellipses wasRe: proofing manual Mayrie, you left out what to do if the elipsis comes at the end of the sentence, and there are 4 dots. "Well, John ...." Is there a space after the elipsis in that case, or not? TracyHi Cindy, Here is how to handle the ellipsis. Formatting The Ellipsis The ellipsis should be punctuated as if it were a word. Examples: "Fools rush in ..." "... for they shall inherit the earth" "Breathe, Mellissa. In ... and out. In ... and out." An ellipsis and a period. Sometimes an ellipsis appears to be four dots rather than three. This is because the ellipsis is either preceded or followed by a period. Since the braille period is not the same as the dots of an ellipsis, it must be determined which of the four dots is the period. If the sentence is incomplete, does not contain a subject and a verb and express a complete thought, then the ellipsis is taking the place of missing words within the sentence--in which the period immediately follows the ellipsis, just as it would a word. If a sentence is gramatically complete, the first dot represents the period and the ellipsis represents a following missing sentence or sentences. In this case a blank cell (a space) is left between the period and the following ellipsis. Example: As you can see, I have followed your career. ... As to my own .... Well, you know the story. Mayrie _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:18 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: ellipses wasRe: proofing manual oh, dear; now I can't remember, and I can't find ellipses in my notes on my desktop. Are we now supposed to have no space before and after the ellipses? --- On Tue, 8/14/12, Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: proofing manual To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, August 14, 2012, 3:47 AM Hi Aidee, There will be very few changes to the content of the scanning and proofreading manual. Footnotes will be handled differently in future, and the ellipsis as well (it was misrepresented in the current manual), but there is no reason you can't use the current manual to learn. Happy proofreading. Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of aidee campa Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 11:11 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] proofing manual I wanted to start proofing soon, but I'm aware that Mayrie is still revising the proofing manual. Should I go by what the current one says or should I wait until the revised one is up? Thank you all for your help. -- Regards, Aidee To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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