[bksvol-discuss] Re: eliminating line breaks
- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:23:47 -0700
Hi Sue,
You are so right! All coffeed up now! At least for the moment.
Now, to your questions!
The reason that I go back into Word before submitting is primarily
that sometimes the Bookshare tools don't recognize rtf files created or last
worked on in Kurzweil as valid rtf files. They are in some tiny way just
different enough from rtf files created in Word that the tools get confused.
So, to make sure that when uploading to Bookshare that the tools won't get
confused, I open the rtf file in Word, hit the spacebar, back space to
delete the space then save the file and close Word. This tiny change allows
Word to do whatever it does to convince the Bookshare tools that the file is
indeed a valid rtf file. Not all rtf files worked on in Kurzweil confuse
the tools. I just do this little thing so that I'll be able, always, to
upload without hitches. I don't like hitches if I can avoid them!
Kurzweil only puts a kes file extension on the ends of file names when you
create them in Kurzweil. And you can always save as another file type just
as you can do in Word by selecting the file type that you want in the "files
of type" combo box in the "save as" dialogue when using Kurzweil. Does that
make sense? The only files that will automatically be given a kes extension
will be documents that you create in Kurzweil, books you scan and save, or
documents that you type using Kurzweil as a word processor.
Does that answer your questions sufficiently?
If not, keep asking!
Mayrie
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of siss52
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 9:47 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: eliminating line breaks
Hi Mayrie,
Well, I assume you are all coffeed up by now. <smile> Your explanation was
fine, but I am wondering why you would go back to Word before submitting
your file.
I don't think I have a contect key. I have a laptop, and there is nothing
on the right between my alt and control keys. So I may have to use your
method if I can't do what E. suggested with a right click combo. Does
Kurzweil put a .kes extension on the file when you store it under Kurzweil
Educational Systems? I see where you mean.
Thanks,
Sue S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:11 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: eliminating line breaks
Hi Sue,
You can save your file wherever you want to save it. Its location
doesn't matter. You just have Kurzweil open, and use its open feature in
the file menu to find and open your rtf file. Kurzweil can open rtf
documents just by finding them in Kurzweil's "open" dialogue, tabbing to the
"ok" button and hitting enter on that button.
I personally like to save books that I'm validating in a folder that
I call validations that I created in the Kurzweil Educational Systems folder
that you will find in you're my Documents folder. But you can put them in
the books folder in that Kurzweil Educational Systems folder or anywhere
else on your hard drive that you want to put them. You just need to start
Kurzweil before trying to open a file with it. You can associate particular
file types to be opened by particular programs, if you want to, but I can't
remember how to do that, and I like not to have Kurzweil open rtf documents
automatically when I hit enter on them. I do work with my rtf files in
Microsoft Word before submitting, so I prefer going the long way round to
open rtf files in Kurzweil.
Sorry that was kind of rattly on. I shouldn't have tried to appear
intelligent, or even verbal before I'd had coffee. I have a bad habit of
not drinking my coffee soon enough.
Please ask if I have just confused you more. As soon as I send this I'll go
coffee up. Promise!
Mayrie
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of siss52
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 1:19 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: eliminating line breaks
Well, what I don't get is, how do you get it into Kurzweil without changing
it to .kes? I mean, where do you tell your computer to save the file?
Sue S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jill O'Connell" <jillocon@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 11:06 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: eliminating line breaks
Sue, I validate RTF books with Kurzweil all the time; I don't change them to
KES and I have not had any problems that I am aware of. Jill
----- Original Message -----
From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 7:45 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: eliminating line breaks
>
> <smiling> Well, yeah, Word sure is slow. Sometimes when I press enter to
> open a file in Word, it is soooo slow!!!!!
>
> So how does one go about valiidating a RTF file in Kurzweil? I mean, do
> you
> have to change the file to a .kes extension and then change it back? I am
> speaking of validating, where you download a RTF file. I'd love to get
> out
> of using Word if possible. Not only is it slow, but it pulls boners on
> you!!! <lol>
>
> Sue S.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 8:19 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: eliminating line breaks
>
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> You're right. Unfortunately, I do my work in Kurzweil 1000 because
> it is much less resource intensive on my computer. I think my computer is
> allergic to Word. Laugh. If there is a word more ponderous than sluggish,
> perhaps glacier-like, it would describe how well I can do things in Word.
> I
> use it as little as possible! But you are right. A macro would be
> faster.
> I just avoid Word like the plague, probably more than the plague as I
> think
> about avoiding Word actively and never think about the plague. Laugh.
>
> Shutting up.
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert Riddle
> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 5:49 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: eliminating line breaks
>
> You should make a macro to do that. It'd make your life easier.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 7:30 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: eliminating line breaks
>
>
>> Hi Cindy,
>>
>> I guess since this is coming up twice now, I'll tell you how I deal
>> with those pesky line breaks where they don't belong, in the middle of
>> paragraphs. But first, to answer your direct question, yes, the bookshare
>> tools will get rid of the extra space between words if there are two
>> spaces
>> instead of one. That's one thing the stripper is good for!
>>
>> I know that you, like I, prefer to read your books in order to
>> validate them. However, I will admit to being a bit lazy. Not that I
>> don't
>> want to do work, but if I can sit back and read without removing those
>> pesky
>> paragraph marks in the middle of paragraphs, I will and do. I use the
>> find
>> and replace dialogue to do this, which takes at most five minutes, then
>> the
>> grand majority of inappropriate paragraph marks are gone before I ever
>> start
>> reading. Here is what I do. Since I know that you personally use Word,
>> I'll tell you how I'd do it using word.
>>
>> I know I'm stating the obvious here, but paragraphs generally begin
>> with a capital letter or a quotation mark. I have never seen a paragraph
>> begin with a lower case letter, so, what I look for are paragraphs
>> beginning
>> with lower case letters and join them to the word before them with a
>> space.
>> Does that make sense?
>>
>> In the find box I would type ^pa
>> In the replace box I would type a (that is hit the spacebar followed by
>> the
>> lower case letter a)
>> Then I replace all.
>> I do this with every lower case letter of the alphabet.
>> And yippee! Most of the extraneous line breaks are gone!
>> Now I can sit back and read without fixing each of those occurrences by
>> hand
>> as they appear in my reading! Much smoother reading!
>>
>> For those using Kurzweil 1000 the paragraph mark is represented in the
>> find
>> box by typing \n (that is backslash followed by the letter n) then you
>> type
>> the lower case letter you want to find.
>>
>> Have I made sense, or just confused the masses? I love making
>> things easier on myself and allowing myself, however I can to sit back
>> and
>> read with as few corrections during the reading process as possible.
>>
>> Okay, I'm stopping now.
>>
>> Mayrie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy
>> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 4:44 PM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] eliminating line breaks
>>
>> It is what either submitter or validator needs to do. Depending on my
>> mood,
>> since I read while I validate I either delete each line break manually or
>> blacken the paragraph, being careful to leave the break at the end of the
>> paragraph, and replace with a space, so two words don't run together.
>> Sometimes this leaves two spaces between words instead of one, but then
>> generally, at the end, replace two spaces with one; does the bookshare
>> conversion do that automatically, perhaps?
>>
>> I've discovered, however, that with the first paragraph (each time one
>> comes
>> back to the file) one has to eliminate the lines spaces by using just
>> "replace," not "replace all," or it makes the whole document one
>> paragraph--and unfortunately a couple of times I validated books where
>> that
>> apparently had been done. After the first paragraph is done, "replace
>> all"
>> will work with each new paragraph and you're safe as long as you don't
>> hit
>> continue or whatever.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat, 10/4/08, Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Lord of the Rose
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 4:15 PM
>>> Hi E.
>>>
>>> Guess what, I have a solution for this one too! I get rid
>>> of
>>> exactly what you're talking about in every book that I
>>> submit or validate
>>> because I find the extraneous line breaks annoying too! Do
>>> you want to hear
>>> it, or should I leave you alone?
>>>
>>> Mayrie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>> E.
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:30 PM
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Lord of the Rose
>>>
>>> The situation with Lord of the Rose does not involve
>>> multiple line
>>> breaks. it involves single line breaks as in
>>>
>>> He
>>> walked across
>>> the room.
>>> In the above sentence the only line break which ought to be
>>> there
>>> comes after the period.
>>> These linebreaks are obnoxious on a braille display.
>>>
>>> E.
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