I'm with y'all on this. Seeing what's there as non-member can sway whether the person wants to become a member or not. If books they want aren't visible (and in the earliest days Gustavo said everything gay and lesbian was marked Adult Content), they likely won't join and will never know what they wanted (esp if the other book services don't have the books) was actually accessible and available upon membership. JAKE!!! I hope you are following this discussion now and will summarize and report it back to Lisa Friendly in a few days???? YES? liz Liz in Portland Liz Halperin Portland, OR lizzersagain@xxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of maithe007 Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:44 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: e: Re: Comment from the staff about Adult Content Filtering Lisa, When I first thought about joining Bookshare, the first thing I did was look at what was being provided. I know many people do that and if they cannot see what is actually there, they will not join. Access can be easily restricted for those under 18, but as you said, we all should be able to see what is actually on the site. Maithe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Belville" <lisab12@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: e: Re: Comment from the staff about Adult Content Filtering > Hi, Kelby. > > Great minds are thinking alike. Thanks for bringing this up and saving me > a few minutes of E-mail editing. <grins> > > Under the current system, someone who is not a member of Bookshare could > do a search for a book or author and would think that no books by that > author were on Bookshare if those books were marked adult. They wouldn't > even see a list of books by a > particular author if all of that author's books were marked adult. > > I think it's important to let people se what books Bookshare has > available, > whether those books are marked adult content or not. I realize there is a > substantial portion of the Bookshare membership who are under eighteen or > who may > not want to read adult content materials. However, the issue here isn't > accessing the books, it's being able to verify that a specific author or > books by an author are live on Bookshare. It's comparable to doing a card > catalog search in the library. People who aren't members of Bookshare > can't log in, so they couldn't download adult rated books, even if they're > over eighteen, but anyone would be given accurate information about what > books are available regardless of their raiding. > > Everyone searching Bookshare should know what's available and what isn't. > they're only going to be seeing books and/or authors in the list of search > results. Someone who isn't a member of bookshare wouldn't necessarily > have to view search results as a list of hyperlinks, which is how they are > listed for me, even if I'm not logged in to the site. > > The only exception to this should be if the books are listed as public > domain. In that case, anyone can download those. Are there public domain > books rated adult? Anything is possible, so that would have to be dealt > with somehow. > > Grandma Cindy's example of children's books being marked adult is another > reason why everyone needs to know what's available. Perhaps this would > have been discovered and corrected sooner. > > I look at it this way: Anyone can go into a public library and search the > card catalog for a > specific book or author. This doesn't mean they will be able to check out > a > book. They may be too young, or they may not be a member of that library > system. Still, they had the chance to see what was available, and that is > the problem with making books rated adult invisible to people who can't > log > into Bookshare. > > Lisa > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kelby carlson" <kelbycarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 6:02 PM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] e: Re: Comment from the staff about Adult > Content > Filtering > > >> See, this is not my problem. I don't WANT to read books that are truly >> adult in nature. My problem is that books like Slander, which are in no >> way adult, are being marked adult. Everyone has consistently failed to >> address this problem. >> >> Kelby >> >> Doomed Dragon >> >> Q: What is the sound of one hand clapping? >> >> A: It is the universe exploding. >> >> "It is not what we see that determines who we are. It is how we choose >> to >> see it." >> >> "Let them praise the name of the LORD, for his name alone is exalted; his >> splendor is above the earth and the heavens." >> >> Psalm 148:13 >> >> Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If >> I >> go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you >> are there. If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle on the far >> side of the sea, even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will >> hold me fast. >> >> Psalm 139:7-10 >> >> >> >> --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- >> http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- >> >> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list >> of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. >> >> > > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list > of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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