Cindy, When I say "correctly marked up" I mean that it's divided into different sections. If it appears in Microsoft word as two sections, Braille conversion should have no problem differentiating the two columns. Pratik -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Grandma Cindy Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:42 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: double column formatting Thanks for that explanation, Pratik. Word creates the two columns by putting a section break. However, after what you told me, I think I'll leave tings as one columns and se the a and b to indicate the pges, as Lissi did. In this particular case, it's a lst of books by the author and the page isn't numbered, so it doesn't matter. Cindy --- Pratik Patel <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Cindy, > > Braille is usually read serially--from left to right > and top to bottom > (except in the case of Hibru and arabic)--and having > a columnar layout > usually confuses most people. If braille is layed > out on a physical page, > two columns would not be a problem and the reader > can easily move from one > column to another. For those of us--who are using > braille displays, > however--it is far more difficult to pick up two > columns and lines tend to > be jumbled together. If the columns are marked up > correctly as columns, > these issues would not come up as the translator > would be able to determine > how to format the page. But, often times, you will > find that to you, as a > sighted reader, something may look like a column due > to its visual layout, > but not actually be a column. Many times columns are > created by putting in > right amount of space between the end of one column > and the beginning of the > second column. > > I hope I haven't managed to confuse you. Let me > know if you have any > questions. > > Pratik > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Grandma Cindy > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:59 PM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: double column > formatting > > So, Lissi, are you sayng that as a Braile reader it > would be better not to have two columns on a page > but > to have the one column and the pages marked a and b > as > you do? I think I did that with one book but I do't > remember which one. > > Cindy > > --- Estelnalissi <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Dear Bookshare Volunteers, > > > > My solution for dealing with indices and pages > with > > long double columns is > > to put each column on a new page and to label the > > pages a and b. If page 364 > > is a glossary with 2 columns I label the page with > > the first column 364a and > > at the end of that column put in a page break. I > > label the next page 364b > > and then put in the second column flush with the > > left margin as I did the > > first. That way, I don't get overlong pages and > > numerically the pages remain > > true to the text and best of all, I don't have to > > worry about how to format > > the second column. When I've tried putting the 2 > > columns in a table, > > navigating as I validate is clumsy because I > really > > don't know how to make > > the cursor move between columns. > > > > My solution is as low tech as it gets with > Microsoft > > word but it gets me > > through those long academic appendices, letting me > > concentrate on the > > accuracy of the content more than formatting. From > > my point of view as a > > braille Bookshare reader as well as a validator, > > this method is > > uncomplicated, and easy to negotiate in a brf > file. > > > > Cindy, if I get caught up enough in my reading and > > validating, I'll let you > > know how your columns appear in the braille file > of > > 100 Women who Shaped > > World History, but even if they're scrambled, I'm > > sure the text will be > > terrific and pleasant, informative, reading. > > > > The double columned contents of, The Devil and the > > Giro, which I recently > > finished validating, appeared in a table, and out > of > > curiosity, I left it > > that way. I'll be curious to see if the tools > > morphed the table in to some > > different arrangement. There again, if the > contents > > are muddled, the stories > > will still be in tact. > > > > I hope any of you who have a different approach > for > > formatting double > > columns or who have read books in the collection > > which have them will tell > > us what you do or how the columns look to you as > > braille or audio readers. > > > > Always with love, > > > > Lissi > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:32 AM > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] columns question > > > > > > > > > > I know how to create columns on page using Word. > > Are > > > they retained when bookshare converts the books? > > When > > > viewing the page in Page Layout the page appears > > in > > > two columns, as it should, but only as one long > > column > > > with the continuous section break in the other > > View > > > options. > > > > > > A couple of years ago when I had to create > columns > > for > > > a Table of Contents to Fit on a page, and some > > pages, > > > I did it using tabs, so the book must look > awful. > > I > > > didn't know tabs got erased. I could redo the > book > > > with the columns that the book itself had if > > columns > > > are retained. > > > > > > Has anyone downloaded 100 Women Who Shaped World > > > History from the collection? It's a wonderful > > > reference book for both children and adults. > Does > > it > > > need reformatting when I get the chance? > > > > > > Cindy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > > > Sponsored Link > > > > > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. > > > $310k for $999/mo. Calculate new payment! > > > www.LowerMyBills.com/lre > > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email > > to > > > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the > > subject line. 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