[bksvol-discuss] Re: double column formatting

Cindy,

When I say "correctly marked up" I mean that it's divided into different
sections.  If it appears in Microsoft word as two sections, Braille
conversion should have no problem differentiating the two columns.

Pratik


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Grandma Cindy
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:42 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: double column formatting

Thanks for that explanation, Pratik. Word creates the
two columns by putting a section break. However, after
what you told me, I think I'll leave tings as one
columns and se the a and b to indicate the pges, as
Lissi did. In this particular case, it's a lst of
books by the author and the page isn't numbered, so it
doesn't matter.

Cindy

--- Pratik Patel <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Cindy,
> 
> Braille is usually read serially--from left to right
> and top to bottom
> (except in the case of Hibru and arabic)--and having
> a columnar layout
> usually confuses most people.  If braille is layed
> out on a physical page,
> two columns would not be a problem and the reader
> can easily move from one
> column to another.  For those of us--who are using
> braille displays,
> however--it is far more difficult to pick up two
> columns and lines tend to
> be jumbled together.  If the columns are marked up
> correctly as columns,
> these issues would not come up as the translator
> would be able to determine
> how to format the page.  But, often times, you will
> find that to you, as a
> sighted reader, something may look like a column due
> to its visual layout,
> but not actually be a column. Many times columns are
> created by putting in
> right amount of space between the end of one column
> and the beginning of the
> second column.
> 
> I hope I haven't managed to confuse you.  Let me
> know if you have any
> questions.
> 
> Pratik
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Grandma Cindy
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:59 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: double column
> formatting
> 
> So, Lissi, are you sayng that as a Braile reader it
> would be better not to have two columns on a page
> but
> to have the one column and the pages marked a and b
> as
> you do? I think I did that with one book but I do't
> remember which one.
> 
> Cindy
> 
> --- Estelnalissi <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > Dear Bookshare Volunteers,
> > 
> > My solution for dealing with indices and pages
> with
> > long double columns is 
> > to put each column on a new page and to label the
> > pages a and b. If page 364 
> > is a glossary with 2 columns I label the page with
> > the first column 364a and 
> > at the end of that column put in a page break. I
> > label the next page 364b 
> > and then put in the second column flush with the
> > left margin as I did the 
> > first. That way, I don't get overlong pages and
> > numerically the pages remain 
> > true to the text and best of all, I don't have to
> > worry about how to format 
> > the second column. When I've tried putting the 2
> > columns in a table, 
> > navigating  as I validate is clumsy because I
> really
> > don't know how to make 
> > the cursor move between columns.
> > 
> > My solution is as low tech as it gets with
> Microsoft
> > word but it gets me 
> > through those long academic appendices, letting me
> > concentrate on the 
> > accuracy of the content more than formatting. From
> > my point of view as a 
> > braille Bookshare reader as well as a validator,
> > this method is 
> > uncomplicated, and easy to negotiate in a brf
> file.
> > 
> > Cindy, if I get caught up enough in my reading and
> > validating, I'll let you 
> > know how your columns appear in the braille file
> of
> > 100 Women who Shaped 
> > World History, but even if they're scrambled, I'm
> > sure the text will be 
> > terrific and pleasant, informative, reading.
> > 
> > The double columned contents of, The Devil and the
> > Giro, which I recently 
> > finished validating, appeared in a table, and out
> of
> > curiosity, I left  it 
> > that way. I'll be curious to see if the tools
> > morphed the table in to some 
> > different arrangement. There again, if the
> contents
> > are muddled, the stories 
> > will still be in tact.
> > 
> > I hope any of you who have a different approach
> for
> > formatting double 
> > columns or who have read books in the collection
> > which have them will tell 
> > us what you do or how the columns look to you as
> > braille or audio readers.
> > 
> > Always with love,
> > 
> > Lissi
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:32 AM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] columns question
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > I know how to create columns on page using Word.
> > Are
> > > they retained when bookshare converts the books?
> > When
> > > viewing the page in Page Layout the page appears
> > in
> > > two columns, as it should, but only as one long
> > column
> > > with the continuous section break in the other
> > View
> > > options.
> > >
> > > A couple of years ago when I had to create
> columns
> > for
> > > a Table of Contents to Fit on a page, and some
> > pages,
> > > I did it using tabs, so the book must look
> awful.
> > I
> > > didn't know tabs got erased. I could redo the
> book
> > > with the columns that the book itself had if
> > columns
> > > are retained.
> > >
> > > Has anyone downloaded 100 Women Who Shaped World
> > > History from the collection? It's a wonderful
> > > reference book for both children and adults.
> Does
> > it
> > > need reformatting when I get the chance?
> > >
> > > Cindy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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