Hi Bob, Optional hyphens are not em dashes. Optional hyphens are hyphens that were in the print book when a line on the page ended, but didn't need a hyphen at that point otherwise. And em dashes no longer need to be converted to double hyphens. I tested it and it's true. Mayrie _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob W Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:02 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: did Mayrie's thing now more questions I thought you converted optional hyphens (-) to two dashes (--). Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Valerie <mailto:vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Maples To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 11:33 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: did Mayrie's thing now more questions There is another quirky arrow (not just a straight line), called an optional hyphen, and those you DO delete. Maybe those are what you are thinking of or have seen, Cindy. I would be interested in learning how it is identified in Braille or by speech. Valerie On May 21, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Cindy wrote: I never knew what those little arows were; I though maybe paragraph symbols so I just deleted them, and there didn't seem to be any problem with wha remained. Cindy --- On Sat, 5/21/11, Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: did Mayrie's thing now more questions To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Saturday, May 21, 2011, 5:08 PM I am thinking the right pointing error is a tab, and would be replaced by a space unless you want your material formatted as a table, then it can be used for creation of a table. If you are in Word and not wanting to make a table, do a find and replace by putting ^t in the first box and a single space in the second. HTH! Valerie On May 21, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Jamie Yates, CPhT wrote: The right pointing arrows are something you need to eliminate. In word you just replace all of the ^l with a space, unless it's truly where a paragraph ends then you replace it with ^p. But usually it's a temporary line break so that it looks like the print book, but is very annoying in braille and needs to be eliminated.