I was only bringing that up because in Cindy's post, she mentioned the
possibility of people who felt that the headers should be left in because
they are in the print book. I'm not insinuating that copyright law was an
issue, I was only saying that I don't see why people would want them there,
unless they thought it was a copyright issue, which it is not. Hope that
clarifies my statement.
Lisa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake Brownell" <jabrown@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:25 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: deleting headers
Lisa,
The BookShare processes, specifically the stripper, are programmed to remove headers. So I'm totally lost on why you would bring up copyright law, as I sure would hope that if both NLS and BookShare are ignoring them, that it's okay to do so.
Jake
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Leonardi" <lml5280@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:57 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: deleting headers
Hi.
I'm really hoping not to start a whole copyright discussion with this post, heh. But, I don't see why it would be an issue to remove the headers, even though they are part of the print books. NLS doesn't have the headers in their braille or recorded copies, so I don't think it would be a copyright infringement or anything.
Lisa
----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 2:42 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: deleting headers
How annoying that would be!
I should have left in the post to which I was commenting. I meant my post to respond to Jill's comment about checking with the submitter before removing the headers, or to people who felt that because the headers are in the print book maybe they should be left in. I meant only to indicate that I don't think most readers of print books pay attention to the headers and so no one should worry about deleting them. As you point out, they definitely need to be deleted for bookshare members' reading pleasure. smile Sorry I wasn't more clear.
Cindy
--- "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
That is because as a sighted reader you are not having every line spoken in which case all titles chapter titles and author's name is repeated time. Or you are not using a braille display which basically reads line by line and thus reads all the junk at the top of pages.
E. At 03:22 PM 7/29/2006, you wrote:
>As a sighted reader of books, I never notice the >headers. I go right to the text. I rarely notice the >page numbers, either, unless the text I'm reading >suddenly doesn't make sense. Then I look at the page >numbers and realize that I've skipped a page in my >page-turning (sometimes the pages, especially in >paperbacks with thin pages, have stuck together). >Once, the pages were actually missing, and I had to >request another copy from the library. > >Cindy > >--- "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Jill, this is a general question though it was > > brought up by your comment. > > (smile) Has anyone ever run into a user who actually > > enjoys seeing the book > > title or author's name or chapter title at the top > > and bottom of every > > page? Why would a submitter want those left in? I > > am asking after Jill > > suggested a validator get in touch with a submitter > > before removing such > > material. > > > > E. > > At 02:12 PM 7/29/2006, you wrote: > > > > >Jill, > > > > > >Bookshare expects the Stripper to remove them, so I > > don't understand why you > > >think a validator must have the permission of a > > submitter to do it. The > > >only reason why the Stripper would fail to do it is > > if they are messed up in > > >the first place. > > > > > >I asked Marissa last year if there was any reason > > why we couldn't just > > >remove headers by hand instead of normalizing them > > in order to make it > > >possible for the Stripper to remove them, and she > > said that removing them by > > >hand works the best and to go right ahead and > > remove them manually. So, if > > >you still want to look at it from a permission > > standpoint, in a sense we > > >have already gotten permission from a staff member, > > so why ask a volunteer? > > > > > >Gerald > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > > Behalf Of Jill O'Connell > > >Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 12:57 PM > > >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Quantity deleting > > > > > >In my opinion, I don't think that validators should > > remove headers without > > >asking the permission of the submitter. This is one > > more reason why when > > >validating we should know how to contact the > > submitter. > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Gerald Hovas" <GeraldHovas@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 10:25 AM > > >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Quantity deleting > > > > > > > > > > Lissi, > > > > > > > > The location of the text from the header isn't > > an issue with removing them > > > > all at once, but their content is. They need to > > be identical for you to > > > > remove them all at once. This can be done with > > a global search and > > > > replace > > > > if you're very careful. In the best case, the > > header is very unique or in > > > > all caps and can be replaced without having to > > worry over removing > > > > anything > > > > from the main text. I'd suggest selecting the > > pages where you want to > > > > remove the headers, though, because you don't > > want to accidentally delete > > > > any text from the frontmatter or the book jacket > > like the title or > > > > author's > > > > name. > > > > > > > > If you aren't sure how to do global search and > > replaces yet or know much > > > > about them, then maybe you should get someone to > > give you a lesson. > > > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > > > Gerald > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > > Behalf Of Estelnalissi > > > > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:10 PM > > > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Quantity deleting > > > > > > > > Dear Volunteer Friends, > > > > > > > > If a book has the title on all even numbered > > pages and the chapter name on > > > > the odd pages, is there a way to delete all of > > each different title with > > > > one > > > > > > > > set of commands? 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