[bksvol-discuss] Re: dashes
- From: mlsestak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:53:05 -0700
Evan,
Thanks for the info about no blank lines in the Braille version not even
getting blank lines.
I've seen some cases when even the scanning or conversion to rtf has eliminated
blank lines
and the change in viewpoint can be so abrupt I get worried something is missing
and have to
find a print copy to check out what is going on. So now I'll try to remember
to put in a couple
stars or dashes to give a hint something has changed.
Misha
> Yes, I was a participant in that discussion, and although - as I said
> before - I am a bit ambivalent about it - it was generally agreed to
> maintain the authenticity of the book. The idea was that (hopefully), these
> books will be reprocessed and the original formatting - not just em dashes,
> but other things that aren't currently done properly by the Braille
> translator - would be corrected. But if the original book is changed, then
> such a thing cannot happen.
>
> Overall, I agree with this position, although I feel that it is unfortunate
> that current readers - and those into the indefinite future - will lose out
> in the uncertain hope that one day things will be done properly, which may
> or may not happen. So I usually do try to maintain the em dashes.
>
> I did forget to change them back from double hyphens in the last book I
> validated though. I change the em dashes to double hyphens before reading
> through the book on my Pac Mate just so they look more natural in Braille,
> and to make sure they came out okay in the scan, because the Braille
> translator in the Pac Mate also changes the em dashes to regular hyphens.
> But I forgot to change them back when I transferred the book back to my PC
> for uploading. But I'm not going to worry about that overmuch. I agree with
> Cindy Ray that there are much more important things to worry about than the
> difference between em dashes and double hyphens.
>
> And I do still try to help out Braille readers by putting a star where the
> book has blank lines to indicate passage of time or change of point of view
> or such, because Braille readers don't even get blank lines in their
> versions!
>
> I have mentioned before that Megadots from 10 years ago could do a better
> job of preserving formatting and font characteristics such as blank lines
> and italics than the Bookshare Braille translator currently does. I really
> wish I knew why that was so.
>
> Evan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:49 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: dashes
>
>
> >I think we had this discussion before and it was agreed to leave the book
> >as is. At least that's what I remember.
> >
> >
> > Would the staff please comment on this important issue. Thanks.-----
> > Original Message -----
> > From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:24 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: dashes
> >
> >
> >> Oh--then we should use two dashes rather than the em
> >> dash, I guess. Thanks for telling me. I'll change my
> >> habits right now, starting with the book I'm
> >> validating now.
> >>
> >> Cindy
> >>
> >> --- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>> No, the em dash doesn't translate properly into
> >>> Braille, at least not the
> >>> way Bookshare does it. The convention for Braille is
> >>> to use two hyphens for
> >>> the em dash, but for some reason Bookshare's Braille
> >>> translator just puts in
> >>> one hyphen.
> >>>
> >>> Evan
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Jamie Yates, CPhT
> >>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 12:51 PM
> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: dashes
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I just wanted to make sure that the em dash
> >>> correctly translates into
> >>> Braille. I know not all characters do. And I know
> >>> that there was recent
> >>> discussion about it but I have to confess I really
> >>> didn't pay enough
> >>> attention to it.
> >>>
> >>> I figured I could look it up in the manual. Some
> >>> books use tons of em
> >>> dashes.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jamie in Michigan
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> >>
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