Well, I read all of my books in rtf. My last book accepted was by Alison
Weir, called Isabella... I retrieved the brf file, and there are no page
numbers in it. I checked my own file, and there are page numbers. I did
not check Daisy version, because I don't generally use it. If you would
like me to check a particular one, please let me know.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 2:46 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to be interested in quantity
I validate a lot of your books. I have been careful to make sure page breaks are retained. Please do let us know which of your books had page numbers deleted. I would like to know if they are ones I have validated.
E.
At 07:24 AM 9/27/2006, you wrote:
I would like to reply to this message to make a few observations, but I hope my comments won't be regarded as critical. I really believe that the question of quality is much less important than the question of utility. For example, I just finished scanning a two volume biography of William Faulkner, and I am not sure I will submit it. I can't get the contents pages to scan showing the pagination properly, perhaps not too important because BookShare takes off the page numbers anyway. Beyond that, some pages are mostly pictures and, while I have caught and changed most of these, some may still be there. So about two-thousand pages of information about Faulkner may rest contented only on my computer. But learning about Faulkner is interesting, some would say important. Actually, using a quality standard no Faulkner books should be on BookShare, because as normally printed there is much punctuation he omitted, many small instead of non-capital i's, long spaces, etc. The same kind of statement is true of E. E. Cummings.
Now I certainly hope Faulkner, Cummings, and similar authors are not kept off BookShare, just as I wonder why it is important to submit end-notes which refer to page numbers BookShare has stripped, and I think we have to be careful not to reject highly scholarly books just because the "quality" is not appropriate. The simplest books are easy to scan; the ones most required for research are much more difficult, but also much more useful for advancement and employment, factors which are doubtless used by BookShare in its fund-raising. .
----- Original Message ----- From: "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 2:13 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to be interested in quantity
You'd be surprised by what publishers release. But your point is still well
taken. We have the obligation to place on Bookshare's virtual shelves,
books in the same quality that originated from the publisher house.
Pratik
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert Riddle
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 1:43 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to be interested in quantity
Goes back to the laziness thing I was talking about earlier. A publisher
wouldn't release a book full of the author's typos. Why should we release a
sloppy book?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:37 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to be interested in quantity
You are right that it is almost worse than the book not being there at
all - wanting to read it, knowing that you theoretically could, but that
it will be so messy and perhaps totally unintelligible in parts. it is a
painful situation to be in.
----- Original Message ----- From: "solsticesinger" <solsticesinger25@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:17 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to be interested in quantity
I won't touch a fair book either. In fact, if I'm going through the
collection, in search of something I want to read, and find out that's
only "fair", I tend to be rather disappointed. It's almost worse than the
book not being there at all.
Shannon solsticesinger25@xxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lora" <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:44 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to be interested in quantity
I believe that you are correct. And perhaps it is the proper strategy at
this point, though I'm not certain of it. One thought process might be
that
it's important in the first few years of Bookshare's life to build
numbers,
to show that the collection can grow when driven by the needs and wants
of
the blind membership.
On the other hand, many people, myself included, won't touch a fair book, and would argue that they don't really count as a part of the collection as they are of such inferior quality.
Why do I envision myself like Tevia ... He's right ... No, he's right.
Ah, just rambling.
Lora
-----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of E. Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:32 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] bookshare seems to be interested in quantity
I suspect that bookshare still wants to give most of the monetary reward
to
the person submitting the book rather than the person validating it and
so
is not likely to make the difference more "equitable" as you want. I
base
this suspicion on the fact that bookshare still permits submits of poor
quality books rather than raising the bar, thereby making less work for
validators and improving the quality of bookshare's collection.
Bookshare
for now seems to want to keep the bar low and strive for quantity.
E. At 07:15 AM 9/26/2006, you wrote:
memberships through their volunteer efforts?Hi Monica,
I do understand that some people validate for credits, and there's
nothing at all wrong with that. On the other hand, many of the people
on this list, yourself included, strike me as dedicated, and willing to
do a good job for Bookshare at the same time. Originally, Evan I think
it was, said that by offering more money, people would just rush
through their validations to get the credits. Although this may be
true for some, I still find it hard to believe that most volunteers
would do that. Didn't someone say that only seven people paid for theirlong run.
On the other hand, I'd rather see the pay scale changed entirely. Perhaps $2 for submissions, and $1 for validation, would balance the scales more equably.
This would balance so that 25 submissions, or 50 validations, would pay
for a renewal of membership.
And if offering more for validations would cause people to race through
a validation, offering less would seem to encourage people to race even
faster. After all, if I'll only make fifty cents per validation, that
means I'll have to validate 100 books to get through the renewal
process. Better validate real fast!
-----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Monica Willyard Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:50 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: a sort of raise for validators
Hi, Cindy. I have a scanner and use Openbook to scan. What I was
trying to say is that without credits, I wouldn't do much on the
validating side of things. As it is, I do validation both for the
credit and because we have a pretty hefty step 1 page right now. Lora
was talking about not validating for credits, and that is what I was
responding to. (smile)
Monica Willyard
On Monday 9/25/2006 11:34 PM, you wrote:
>Monica,
>
>One gets so much more monetary credit for scanning, and all you'd
>really have to do after a scan is to check the copyright page and >put
>the right info in the submission form; go through the book and be
>sure no pages have been omitted (we've all done that, and
>double-scanned a page, too); and delete junk characters; and run a
>spell-check. So you validate because you don't have a scanner? I
>think some can be had relatively inexpensively and it might pay you >n
>theline.> >I don't blame you at all for validating for the credits. I probably >would work for the credits, too. I admit that in my lifetime I have >volunteered my time and efforts rather than donated money, not only >because I feel I'm being useful but because I don't have that much >money to donate. smile > >Cindy
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