Yes, do, i.e., fix it up and submit it as a BSO, i.e.,
replacement, or rescan it. I do vaguely remember the
High king. I think quite a few of us would be willing
o validate the books and make them excellent.
Cindy
--- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Well, aside from the problems I mentioned, and the
> fact that the first
> letter of each chapter is missing and some of the
> chapter headings are
> garbled, and that the vast majority of print page
> numbers are missing, the
> text quality is quite good. Perhaps this has
> something to do with the fact
> that the book was submitted by a Bookshare in-house
> volunteer, so the
> original scan was very good. But clearly whoever
> validated it never
> actually looked at the text of the book. Some of
> these hard returns in the
> middle of paragraphs may be due to a page break
> being in the print edition;
> but since I have seen perhaps a half-dozen print
> page numbers or so in the
> first 70 print pages, I cannot be sure. Certainly
> that does not account for
> all of them. Maybe a Daisy version would look
> better, but I would imagine
> that it still has the broken up words and the
> missing print page numbers.
>
> This is The Book of Three by Lloyd Alexander, the
> first book in the Prydain
> series. Currently Bookshare has that one, The Black
> Cauldron and The High
> King, which was a Newbery winner. But books 3 and 4
> of the series are not
> on Bookshare at all, and I was going to scan them.
> But I wanted to start
> the series from the beginning, since it has been
> many years since I have
> read it. I am really enjoying it anyhow, but I have
> to fix this up as I
> read my brf copy, and I'm thinking that I should
> probably rescan it. I
> haven't checked the other two yet, but unless they
> were done recently, as in
> after the Braille translator was upgraded, and
> unless some validator went
> through and fixed them up, they may need rescanning
> as well. Perhaps one of
> the DP's on this list who likes juveniles and/or who
> remembers these books
> fondly could take a look and check out the quality
> of The Black Cauldron and
> The High King. Perhaps we can share them out and
> get them into proper
> shape. I really don't like the thought of kids
> having to read them if they
> look like this one - especially Braille readers.
> There are few enough of
> them as it is, and this kind of quality would hardly
> seem to be an
> encouragement to read more. Before anyone asks, all
> of the books in the
> series are available on Web Braille, and in a couple
> of other versions as
> well. But that hardly seems a good reason to keep
> lousy versions on
> Bookshare. If the older books were retranslated
> with the recently upgraded
> Braille translator, perhaps some of these problems I
> mentioned would go
> away. But that wouldn't put in the missing print
> page numbers, or fix up
> all the broken up words.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:11 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to be
> interested in quantity
>
>
> >I can't imagine how that got rated Excellent. It
> needs
> > to be rescanned or put on the download list to be
> > re-validated.--IMO
> >
> > CIndy
> >
> > --- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm reading a book rated excellent right now.
> Some
> >> of the problems I think
> >> are due to the old Braille translator. Every
> word
> >> of the Table of Contents
> >> is on a separate line, every italicized word is
> on a
> >> separate line - I've
> >> seen this in other books done before the
> translator
> >> was upgraded, but why it
> >> did that I have no idea. Additionally, the book
> has
> >> a lot of hard returns in
> >> the middle of paragraphs. But the most annoying
> >> problem is that the book
> >> has a lot of broken up words, where a hyphen
> might
> >> have been in the original
> >> book, but the hyphens are gone. So in the brf
> >> version, I have quite a few
> >> things like i n sign g's on new lines, just as
> one
> >> example. I repeat, this
> >> book has an excellent rating. Regretfully, I
> >> couldn't help wondering how
> >> someone having this version as their first
> exposure
> >> to Bookshare might
> >> react. Perhaps reading it anyway, but perhaps
> >> deciding that Bookshare
> >> wasn't for them. This is especially unfortunate
> >> because this is a juvenile,
> >> and maybe the kid would be just so happy to read
> it
> >> that he/she would just
> >> skate by these kinds of things, but perhaps
> he/she
> >> would be more put off of
> >> reading it than an adult would be. I don't know,
> >> but it troubles me.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:53 AM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to
> be
> >> interested in quantity
> >>
> >>
> >> > Another thought is garbage in garbage out.
> >> >
> >> > Folks are rightly offended at paying for
> bookshar
> >> subscriptions and then,
> >> > if particularly unlucky, downloading a book
> rated
> >> excellent which turns
> >> > out not to be so.
> >> >
> >> > Apparently particular upset is reserved for 1
> >> instead of I resulting in "1
> >> > have" etc. and people particularly hate reading
> >> for pleasure when the book
> >> > is of poor quality in some way. I think folks
> may
> >> be willing to slog
> >> > through more muck if they have to read a
> textbook.
> >> An example might be my
> >> > being willing to listen to somebody read a
> >> textbook badly but not put up
> >> > with it if reading a novel for my own
> amusement.
> >> >
> >> > What you say, she is sometimes doing things for
> >> amusement?
> >> >
> >> > E.
> >> >
> >> >>I believe that you are correct. And perhaps it
> is
> >> the proper strategy at
> >> >>this point, though I'm not certain of it. One
> >> thought process might be
> >> >>that
> >> >>it's important in the first few years of
> >> Bookshare's life to build
> >> >>numbers,
> >> >>to show that the collection can grow when
> driven
> >> by the needs and wants of
> >> >>the blind membership.
> >> >>
> >> >>On the other hand, many people, myself
> included,
> >> won't touch a fair book,
> >> >>and would argue that they don't really count as
> a
> >> part of the collection
> >> >>as
> >> >>they are of such inferior quality.
> >> >>
> >> >>Why do I envision myself like Tevia ... He's
> right
> >> ... No, he's right.
> >> >>
> >> >>Ah, just rambling.
> >> >>
> >> >>Lora
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>-----Original Message-----
> >> >>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> >> Behalf Of E.
> >> >>Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:32 AM
> >> >>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] bookshare seems to be
> >> interested in quantity
> >> >>
> >> >>I suspect that bookshare still wants to give
> most
> >> of the monetary reward
> >> >>to
> >> >>the person submitting the book rather than the
> >> person validating it and so
> >> >>is not likely to make the difference more
> >> "equitable" as you want. I base
> >> >>this suspicion on the fact that bookshare still
> >> permits submits of poor
> >> >>quality books rather than raising the bar,
> thereby
> >> making less work for
> >> >>validators and improving the quality of
> >> bookshare's collection. Bookshare
> >> >>for now seems to want to keep the bar low and
> >> strive for quantity.
> >> >>
> >> >>E.
> >> >>At 07:15 AM 9/26/2006, you wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Hi Monica,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I do understand that some people validate for
> >> credits, and there's
> >> >> >nothing at all wrong with that. On the other
> >> hand, many of the people
> >> >> >on this list, yourself included, strike me as
> >> dedicated, and willing to
> >> >> >do a good job for Bookshare at the same time.
> >> Originally, Evan I think
> >> >> >it was, said that by offering more money,
> people
> >> would just rush
> >> >> >through their validations to get the credits.
> >> Although this may be
> >> >> >true for some, I still find it hard to
> believe
> >> that most volunteers
> >> >> >would do that. Didn't someone say that only
> >> seven people paid for their
> >> >>memberships through their volunteer efforts?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >On the other hand, I'd rather see the pay
> scale
> >> changed entirely.
> >> >> >Perhaps
> >> >> >$2 for submissions, and $1 for validation,
> would
> >> balance the scales
> >> >> >more equably.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >This would balance so that 25 submissions, or
> 50
> >> validations, would pay
> >> >> >for a renewal of membership.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >And if offering more for validations would
> cause
> >> people to race through
> >> >> >a validation, offering less would seem to
> >> encourage people to race even
> >> >> >faster. After all, if I'll only make fifty
> >> cents per validation, that
> >> >> >means I'll have to validate 100 books to get
> >> through the renewal
> >> >> >process. Better validate real fast!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> >> Behalf Of Monica
> >> >> >Willyard
> >> >> >Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:50 PM
> >> >> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: a sort of raise
> >> for validators
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Hi, Cindy. I have a scanner and use Openbook
> to
> >> scan. What I was
> >> >> >trying to say is that without credits, I
> >> wouldn't do much on the
> >> >> >validating side of things. As it is, I do
> >> validation both for the
> >> >> >credit and because we have a pretty hefty
> step 1
> >> page right now. Lora
> >> >> >was talking about not validating for credits,
> >> and that is what I was
> >> >> >responding to. (smile)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Monica Willyard
> >> >> >
> >> >> >On Monday 9/25/2006 11:34 PM, you wrote:
> >> >> > >Monica,
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >One gets so much more monetary credit for
> >> scanning, and all you'd
> >> >> > >really have to do after a scan is to check
> the
> >> copyright page and put
> >> >> > >the right info in the submission form; go
> >> through the book and be
> >> >> > >sure no pages have been omitted (we've all
> >> done that, and
> >> >> > >double-scanned a page, too); and delete
> junk
> >> characters; and run a
> >> >> > >spell-check. So you validate because you
> don't
> >> have a scanner? I
> >> >> > >think some can be had relatively
> inexpensively
> >> and it might pay you n
> >> >> > >the
> >> >>long run.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >I don't blame you at all for validating for
> >> the credits. I probably
> >> >> > >would work for the credits, too. I admit
> that
> >> in my lifetime I have
> >> >> > >volunteered my time and efforts rather than
> >> donated money, not only
> >> >> > >because I feel I'm being useful but because
> I
> >> don't have that much
> >> >> > >money to donate. smile
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Cindy
> >> >> >
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