[bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to be interested in quantity

It is a matter of pride and self-esteem.  And to further dig a shared grave,
we do this and so many other things to ourselves.

The justification begins:  No one else expects anything from me, so why
should I even bother?  You bother (or at least I bother) for countless
reasons, including a paycheck, but also including the pride and self-respect
that come with it.

And I want to see pride and self-respect echoed in the books we share with
one another.  Why shouldn't we have quality?  And we're the ones who make
that final call.  No one else is telling us we can't do it.

With constant attention to the books we submit to make sure they are of
excellent quality, and regular and consistent use of our ability to reject
books that don't meet our standards, we can shape the collection into
something to be proud of.



 

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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of k4zq
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 11:44 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to be interested in quantity

Elizabeth,

Apparently you and I really got off on the wrong foot.

I totally agree with you--sloppiness is a particular pet peeve of mine. 
Specially in a situation like  Bookshare where the blind are able to
contribute so much to themselves.

I have heard many times how the sighted world doesn't give the blind a fair
shake, and now, I see that many of the blind  don't give themselves a fair
shake.  It's a matter of pride, or per haps self esteem, isn't it?

Man!  Did that get me in trouble!

Peace,
Ernie
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From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:53 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to be interested in quantity


> Another thought is garbage in garbage out.
>
> Folks are rightly offended at paying for bookshar subscriptions and then, 
> if particularly unlucky, downloading a book rated excellent which turns 
> out not to be so.
>
> Apparently particular upset is reserved for 1 instead of I resulting in "1

> have" etc. and people particularly hate reading for pleasure when the book

> is of poor quality in some way.  I think folks may be willing to slog 
> through more muck if they have to read a textbook.  An example might be my

> being willing to listen to somebody read a textbook badly but not put up 
> with it if reading a novel for my own amusement.
>
> What you say, she is sometimes doing things for amusement?
>
> E.
>
>>I believe that you are correct.  And perhaps it is the proper strategy at
>>this point, though I'm not certain of it.  One thought process might be 
>>that
>>it's important in the first few years of Bookshare's life to build 
>>numbers,
>>to show that the collection can grow when driven by the needs and wants of
>>the blind membership.
>>
>>On the other hand, many people, myself included, won't touch a fair book,
>>and would argue that they don't really count as a part of  the collection 
>>as
>>they are of such inferior quality.
>>
>>Why do I envision myself like Tevia ... He's right ... No, he's right.
>>
>>Ah, just rambling.
>>
>>Lora
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of E.
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:32 AM
>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] bookshare seems to be interested in quantity
>>
>>I suspect that bookshare still wants to give most of the monetary reward 
>>to
>>the person submitting the book rather than the person validating it and so
>>is not likely to make the difference more "equitable" as you want.  I base
>>this suspicion on the fact that bookshare still permits submits of poor
>>quality books rather than raising the bar, thereby making less work for
>>validators and improving the quality of bookshare's collection.  Bookshare
>>for now seems to want to keep the bar low and strive for quantity.
>>
>>E.
>>At 07:15 AM 9/26/2006, you wrote:
>>
>> >Hi Monica,
>> >
>> >I do understand that some people validate for credits, and there's
>> >nothing at all wrong with that.  On the other hand, many of the people
>> >on this list, yourself included, strike me as dedicated, and willing to
>> >do a good job for Bookshare at the same time.  Originally, Evan I think
>> >it was, said that by offering more money, people would just rush
>> >through their validations to get the credits.  Although this may be
>> >true for some, I still find it hard to believe that most volunteers
>> >would do that.  Didn't someone say that only seven people paid for their
>>memberships through their volunteer efforts?
>> >
>> >On the other hand, I'd rather see the pay scale changed entirely.
>> >Perhaps
>> >$2 for submissions, and $1 for validation, would balance the scales
>> >more equably.
>> >
>> >This would balance so that 25 submissions, or 50 validations, would pay
>> >for a renewal of membership.
>> >
>> >And if offering more for validations would cause people to race through
>> >a validation, offering less would seem to encourage people to race even
>> >faster.  After all, if I'll only make fifty cents per validation, that
>> >means I'll have to validate 100 books to get through the renewal
>> >process.  Better validate real fast!
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Monica
>> >Willyard
>> >Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:50 PM
>> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: a sort of raise for validators
>> >
>> >Hi, Cindy.  I have a scanner and use Openbook to scan.  What I was
>> >trying to say is that without credits, I wouldn't do much on the
>> >validating side of things.  As it is, I do validation both for the
>> >credit and because we have a pretty hefty step 1 page right now.  Lora
>> >was talking about not validating for credits, and that is what I was
>> >responding to.  (smile)
>> >
>> >Monica Willyard
>> >
>> >On Monday 9/25/2006 11:34 PM, you wrote:
>> > >Monica,
>> > >
>> > >One gets so much more monetary credit for scanning, and all you'd
>> > >really have to do after a scan is to check the copyright page and put
>> > >the right info in the submission form; go through the book and be
>> > >sure no pages have been omitted (we've all done that, and
>> > >double-scanned a page, too); and delete junk characters; and run a
>> > >spell-check. So you validate because you don't have a scanner? I
>> > >think some can be had relatively inexpensively and it might pay you n 
>> > >the
>>long run.
>> > >
>> > >I don't blame you at all for validating for the credits. I probably
>> > >would work for the credits, too. I admit that in my lifetime I have
>> > >volunteered my time and efforts rather than donated money, not only
>> > >because I feel I'm being useful but because I don't have that much
>> > >money to donate. smile
>> > >
>> > >Cindy
>> >
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