[bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
- From: "Kaitlyn" <kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:14:40 -0700
Hi,
Or we can make it real easy and call it validating:)
Katie Hill
You can learn a lot if you are humble enough to listen.
Lynn Lewis Warren
Email: Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jill O'Connell
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:06 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
If I'm not mistaken, Bookshare actually uses the word editor when talking
about validating so that's where the change should be made in my opinion.
----- Original Message -----
From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 7:20 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
>
> Good point, Mickey. We need to use the correct terminology. We are not
> editors and should not say we edit... The books are PRINTED after being
> written and edited b the authors and publishers. We scan, validate or
> confirm copyriight info, etc., and, if we are willing, we proofread.
>
> Sue S.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mickey" <micka@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 8:33 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
>
>
>> No, no. Editing is changing words, which the publisher frowns on.
>> Proofreading is checking format and spelling. That's what we, as lind
>> people, can and should do.
>>
>> I'm a professional proofreader. I cannot edit, though I would dearly love
>> to. We can insert things that the scanner misses.
>>
>> My point here is that publishers and authors get a little tense when we
> talk
>> about editing their work, when in fact we're only validating or, if you
>> will, proofreading. In order to keep this valuable resource, we need to
>> be
>> really, REALLY careful.
>>
>> Mickey
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:53 AM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
>>
>>
>> > Also, is a blind person supposed to check whith a sighted person - or
>> > an
>> > Optacon if he/she has one - every time they encounter an error to make
>> > sure it isn't printed that way in the original text? That seems
>> > unreasonable. The default action should be to assume they are scanning
>> > errors - the overwhelming likelihood - and fix them.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Kaitlyn" <kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:51 PM
>> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
>> >
>> >
>> >> HI Mickie,
>> >>
>> >> IN the case of a blind person scanning it is sometimes hard to tell if
> it
>> >> is
>> >> an error in the book or the scan. Most of what I find are end of line
>> >> things, occasional split words, Extra chars such as * & ^ around page
>> >> numbers which I usually clean up.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Katie Hill
>> >> You can learn a lot if you are humble enough to listen.
>> >> Lynn Lewis Warren
>> >> Email: Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mickey
>> >> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 2:16 PM
>> >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
>> >>
>> >> I think we need to be careful. Under no circumstances are we to edit
> the
>> >> books we scan or validate. That would break copyright. We only
> reproduce,
>> >> as
>> >>
>> >> closely as humanly possible. We can't (or shouldn't) even correct
>> >> spelling
>> >> errors, if they're in the print text.
>> >>
>> >> I'm only speaking up in case any publishers should see these posts.
>> >>
>> >> Mickey
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Monica Svopa" <svopa@xxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 4:17 PM
>> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Thanks Katie. I do like reading books of that nature.
>> >>> Monica
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Kaitlyn" <kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:59 PM
>> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> HI Monica,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Once I got into remember names I found there were only about 18
>> >>>> pages
>> >>>> of
>> >>> the
>> >>>> book. I went back to an older copy when I attempted it a while back
> and
>> >>> even
>> >>>> redownloaded the file. No go:(.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But if you are interested in some Dale Carnegie books there is a
>> >>>> copy
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> Pathways to Suggest / How to stop worrying and start living. Cindy I
>> >>> worked
>> >>>> o that one last summer. A very good book:)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Katie Hill
>> >>>> You can learn a lot if you are humble enough to listen.
>> >>>> Lynn Lewis Warren
>> >>>> Email: Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Monica
> Svopa
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:36 AM
>> >>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hello Monica and Cindy. Thanks both of you for your notes.
> Actually,
>> >>> being
>> >>>> blind myself, I would prefer that a sighted person vallidate the
>> >>>> book
>> >>> which
>> >>>> is why I am not going to ask for it to be realeased. Thanks so much
>> >>>> for
>> >>>> your quick respnse. Actually, i have other books I need to read so
> no
>> >>>> hurrys on that one but I know that others here want to read it as
> well.
>> >>>> Have an awesome day.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Monica Svopa
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Monica Willyard" <plumlipstick@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:00 PM
>> >>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: books being edited
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > Monica, you are a competent, high-quality validater. Unless you
> can
>> >>>> > see, this book will be a bear to validate. While the text is very
>> >>>> > clear, it has a lot of things that need eyes to fix. There are
>> >>>> > pictures and section marks that a sighted person can click away
> with
>> >>>> > the mouse. Jaws gets confused and doesn't find the pictures
> properly
>> >>>> > to remove them. If you leave the pictures in the book, it is too
>> >>>> > large to upload to Bookshare for approval. Unless you have some
> sort
>> >>>> > of tool to do this for you, Cindy can validate the book fairly
>> >>>> > quickly. We can ask Gustavo if he'll approve the book from the
> queue
>> >>>> > if it is something you want to read fairly soon, explaining why
>> >>>> > you
>> >>>> > couldn't validate it. Maybe he'd agree to release it fairly
> quickly.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Monica
>> >>>> > Visit my blog at: http://plumlipstick.livejournal.com
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Friday 4/21/2006 07:16 PM, Cincy wrote:
>> >>>> > >Actually, Monica, it's Princess--feminine--Within. And
>> >>>> > >I'm doing it, upon request, because there were
>> >>>> > >problems, but if you want to do it I'll happily
>> >>>> > >release it. I've requested the book, so I can provide
>> >>>> > >any missing pages or garbled pages or answer any
>> >>>> > >questions you might have.
>> >>>> >
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