[bksvol-discuss] Re: apostrophe as single quote
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:56:13 -0800 (PST)
Thnbk you, Sarah. It did take a lot of time to go back
and find all the apostrophes that should have been
single quotes, and I'm secretly glad that I don't have
to correct other books, though I would have been
willing.
Yes, I do use Word. The key strokes for the single
quotes are quick to use, (option plus rught bracket
for the first one, option shift right bracket for the
close)but is a bit faster just to use the apostrophe
on the keyboard, and, although I'll continue to to use
the single quote in this book, since I've converted
for the first 80 pages, I'll go back tousing the
apostrophe for other books.
As to the smart quotes being turned off, since I'm
validating, I do whatever the file already is using.
Thanks again for your help and quick response.
Cindy
--- Sarah Van Oosterwijck
<curiousentity@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Cindy,
>
> Oops, and I am not of much use when it comes to
> describing
> characters. In this case because I forgot that the
> accent is just like an opening single quote not like
> a closing or apostrophe. I knew that, but not being
> able to look at the key when writing allowed me to
> mess up. <smile> Thanks for correcting me, so that
> people did not continue to be in a misinformed
> state. :-)
>
> Single quotes are really a more elegant set of
> characters to use, but apostrophes throughout
> electronic texts whether for single quotes or
> apostrophes will be much safer for conversion to
> speech and braille, at least for the time being.
> The single quotes might really be better for some
> people, but it would be really asking a lot for
> people to go through books making sure that every
> single character was represented correctly and
> beginning quotes, ending quotes, and apostrophes
> were never improperly interchanged. Since I'm sure
> you used Word to work on the books you mentioned,
> all apostrophes you wrote were turned in to single
> closing quotes without your knowledge or permission.
> You must turn off "use smart quotes" in order to
> have complete control over your document.
> When it comes to automatic translation in to
> braille, no matter what we do something is likely to
> be a bit messed up, so if we need perfection we need
> human transcribers.
>
> Sarah Van Oosterwijck
> Assistive Technology Trainer
> http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:16 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: apostrophe as single
> quote
>
>
> Sarah,
>
> I had to laugh, as your first paragraph describes
> me
> perfectly. I'm always looking at the food ads on
> TV or
> descriptions of food even without seeing them and
> saying "Mmmm--that looks/sounds so good."
>
> But on my keyboard, the grave symbol goes the
> opposite
> way of an apostrophe.
>
> I've learned that what I see and use doesn't apply
> often to what you all use and I keep telling
> myself
> to stay out of the discussion, but then if no one
> has
> answered yes, I do throw in my two-cents worth,
> which
> turns up to be ab out as useful as wooden nickels.
> smile
>
> But you comment in the second paragraph about the
> single quotes and apostrophes we see not being the
> same when translated into formats that you can
> read
> creates a dilemma. What is the alternative? Are
> the
> symbols I discovered in the Insert file what I
> should
> use for for single quotes? I'm guessing the
> ansswer is
> Yes, and I should use the keyboard symbol only for
> apostrophes. I never noticed those before and
> would
> not have had not Robin or whoever it was just
> asked
> the question.
>
> Thank you both.
>
> Cindy
>
>
>
>
> --- Sarah Van Oosterwijck
> <curiousentity@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Ah sighted people, smile> Especially the not
> > particularly computer literate ones, can really
> > cause more confusion then good when asked about
> > characters you wish to create or eliminate from
> > electronic documents. <smile> I'm not really
> > criticizing them, since they just don't happen
> to
> > know much about the topic, but I'm warning you
> that
> > their advice can not always be trusted.
> Kurzweil
> > and to some degree your screen reader, knows
> much
> > more about the document than can be learned by a
> > sighted person looking at the printed characters
> on
> > the screen or in the book. They are kind of
> like
> > that plastic or wax food they see in pictures in
> the
> > menus they consult and then announce, "Mmm, that
> > looks so good, I think I'll have that." I'd find
> it
> > so hilarious if they were actually brought the
> prop
> > material that was actually used in the picture.
> LOL
> >
> > The accent mark on the key above the tab is not
> the
> > slightest bit related to an apostrophe or a
> single
> > quote. It just happens to be a mark that curves
> in
> > the same direction as an apostrophe. Sighted
> people
> > also have no problems with closing single quotes
> and
> > apostrophes being used interchangeably because
> they
> > really do look the same, but as you have already
> > learned they are not always the best thing for
> the
> > electronic copy of the book, because they are
> really
> > different characters and will not necessarily be
> > read or transcribed correctly.
> > Why not just select the offensive character and
> copy
> > it to the clipboard. Paste it in the find box
> and
> > replace all of them with an apostrophe. If for
> some
> > reason you don't like that plan then you can
> produce
> > a single close quote at will by pressing and
> holding
> > down the alt key while typing the number 0146 on
> the
> > numb-pad. Kurzweil will call it close single
> quote,
> > so you will know it is correct. JAWS and open
> book
> > users won't be informed of the difference
> between
> > the characters, so only the character number can
> > warn you of the difference as apostrophe is
> > character 39 not character 146. It's useful
> that
> > JAWS doesn't differentiate while reading a file,
> but
> > it isn't so good that Open Book decides to use
> them
> > interchangeably like Word.
> >
> > If anyone has more questions about character
> > problems then please go to Jake's tip page and
> read
> > the tip I submitted about potential problem
> > characters. The information can also be quite
> > useful to people who transfer documents to a
> note
> > taker for reading in braille, since the same
> > characters often cause issues for them.
> >
> > I really want to make a Word macro for fixing up
> > documents for transfer to my BrailleNote, but
> I've
> > lost every macro I've ever made for Word, so I'm
> not
> > too enthused about the prospect.
> >
> > Sarah Van Oosterwijck
> > Assistive Technology Trainer
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity
>
>
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