Yeah, elmars glue for milk, and let me see raw hamburgers, toothpicks to hold it all together, and let me see. I saw a show once where they showed how food was made. I remember milk shakes were sugar, and glue, not ice cream as it would melt, and fries are hand picked and then tooth picked into place. Oh, cardboard on the bun to prevent "oozing" Smile. Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI and Judson, guiding golden juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. Graduate Alumni Association Board www.guidedogs.com Dog ownership is like a rainbow. Puppies are the joy at one end. Old dogs are the treasure at the other. Carolyn Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Van Oosterwijck" <curiousentity@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:21 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: apostrophe as single quote Ah sighted people, smile> Especially the not particularly computer literate ones, can really cause more confusion then good when asked about characters you wish to create or eliminate from electronic documents. <smile> I'm not really criticizing them, since they just don't happen to know much about the topic, but I'm warning you that their advice can not always be trusted. Kurzweil and to some degree your screen reader, knows much more about the document than can be learned by a sighted person looking at the printed characters on the screen or in the book. They are kind of like that plastic or wax food they see in pictures in the menus they consult and then announce, "Mmm, that looks so good, I think I'll have that." I'd find it so hilarious if they were actually brought the prop material that was actually used in the picture. LOL The accent mark on the key above the tab is not the slightest bit related to an apostrophe or a single quote. It just happens to be a mark that curves in the same direction as an apostrophe. Sighted people also have no problems with closing single quotes and apostrophes being used interchangeably because they really do look the same, but as you have already learned they are not always the best thing for the electronic copy of the book, because they are really different characters and will not necessarily be read or transcribed correctly. Why not just select the offensive character and copy it to the clipboard. Paste it in the find box and replace all of them with an apostrophe. If for some reason you don't like that plan then you can produce a single close quote at will by pressing and holding down the alt key while typing the number 0146 on the numb-pad. Kurzweil will call it close single quote, so you will know it is correct. JAWS and open book users won't be informed of the difference between the characters, so only the character number can warn you of the difference as apostrophe is character 39 not character 146. It's useful that JAWS doesn't differentiate while reading a file, but it isn't so good that Open Book decides to use them interchangeably like Word. If anyone has more questions about character problems then please go to Jake's tip page and read the tip I submitted about potential problem characters. The information can also be quite useful to people who transfer documents to a note taker for reading in braille, since the same characters often cause issues for them. I really want to make a Word macro for fixing up documents for transfer to my BrailleNote, but I've lost every macro I've ever made for Word, so I'm not too enthused about the prospect. Sarah Van Oosterwijck Assistive Technology Trainer http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.