[bksvol-discuss] Re: agressive dogs
- From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:13:13 -0800 (PST)
Interesting about beagles. I'll send that to my
daughter.
Dobermans? That would scare me.
Cindy
--- "Shelley L. Rhodes" <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Beagles were bred to be barky, after all that is how
> the hunters on horse
> back tracked the pack on a hunt, that and their
> white tip on their tail.
> Which when you think about it, works quite well,
> smile.
>
> Smile. Is just part of their nature.
>
> I have met quiet beagles but not very often.
>
> Normally guide dogs are between like 18 and 26
> inches at the shoulder, and
> are normally considered to be the larger breeds.
> Boxers, Doberman
> Pinschers, German Shepherd Dogs, Labrador
> Retrievers, Golden REtreivers,
> Poodles (standard size), Viszlas, Border Collies,
> Australian Shepherds are
> some of the breeds used.
>
> Nope this was a big male labrador, black lab to be
> exact and her owner
> couldn't control him, even though she kept
> correcting him, and telling him
> to knock it off. It was if the dog didn't hear a
> thing that her owner said
> or did.
>
> Smile.
>
>
>
>
> Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
> and Judson, guiding golden
> juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
> Graduate Alumni Association Board
> www.guidedogs.com
>
> Dog ownership is like a rainbow.
> Puppies are the joy at one end.
> Old dogs are the treasure at the other.
> Carolyn Alexander
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:59 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] agressive dogs
>
>
> I don't think I've ever seen a small guide dog,
> like
> a beagle. DO they have to be a certain size?
>
> I ask because I was wondering about the size of the
> dog at the convention that you talk about, Shelley.
> My
> daughter's beagle mix has a Napoleonic complex, I
> think. She barks and lunges and tries to get at
> bigger
> dogs--but not those of equal size or smaller dogs.
> Dori and Mark got her from a pound, so they didn't
> train her from puppyhood, though they did think she
> was younger than it turns out she was. And they have
> tried to change the behavior--but it's as if she's
> trying to assert herself, either because of her size
> or because she's female and a feminist? smile
>
> Cindy
>
>
>
> --- "Shelley L. Rhodes" <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > Actually, smile.
> >
> > Elizabeth, I beg to differ, have seen aggressive
> > dogs come out of all the
> > schools. Even ones that are tested still end up
> out
> > in society. And a lot
> > of the behaviors that are displayed come from the
> > dog being around a new and
> > often unusual person not their trainer.
> >
> > I have met aggressive dogs in all the breeds,
> Labs,
> > goldens, and GSDs, both
> > towards people and other animals.
> >
> > I remember this one lab once we came to this
> > convention and every time I
> > brought my dog towards this dog, he would bark and
> > lounge at my dog, while
> > the owner atteempted to "restrain" him. This even
> > happened when we were in
> > the state capital building doing advocacy work.
> The
> > dog had a huge bark
> > too. I didn't see that dog much of the convention
> > after that evening.
> >
> > Smile. They do a good job, all of the schools do,
> > or they should, but even
> > they don't see the signs some times.
> >
> > One of my friend's first dogs, was retired, from a
> > reputable school after
> > she a GSD jumped up and nipped a guy leaning over
> my
> > friend's shoulder.
> >
> > Another dog had a terrible habbit of attacking
> other
> > dogs at meetings and
> > after the owner tried a basket muzzle said dog was
> > retired at three or four.
> >
> > I have one friend who had two dogs from the same
> > school that had extremely
> > high pray drive, one attacked a child's video
> game,
> > didn't like the flashing
> > lights they figure. And her second dog dragged
> her
> > into an extremely busy
> > street after a cat. This with severest of
> > corrections and she could give
> > them with the best of them.
> >
> > All of the above examples come from different
> > schools.
> >
> > And as my friends in the Animal rescue group
> always
> > tells me sometimes there
> > are behavioral problems that don't show up in the
> > foster or training stages
> > unless of course, smile, they are traded off to be
> > with another person, or
> > are rehomed, to a person with a much different
> > handling style.
> >
> > I know I definitely have a different handling
> style
> > than others do, and I
> > know it would show, in the dogs that I own. One
> of
> > my friends has a very
> > rambunctious guide, who, smile, wouldn't be a
> happy
> > dog in my household, as
> > I discipline him when I watch him, and he doesn't
> do
> > half the things around
> > me he does with his owner. But I also allow
> certain
> > things with my dog that
> > other handlers would frown down upon, like letting
> > said dog on my bed,
> > smile.
> >
> >
> > Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
> > and Judson, guiding golden
> > juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
> > Graduate Alumni Association Board
> > www.guidedogs.com
> >
> > Dog ownership is like a rainbow.
> > Puppies are the joy at one end.
> > Old dogs are the treasure at the other.
> > Carolyn Alexander
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Elizabeth and Burton"
> <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:44 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's
> reactions
> > and stpid questions
> >
> >
> > My school would have tested out the dog in various
> > situations with various
> > kinds of people and would reject any dog
> displaying
> > such symptoms. A blind
> > person has enough to do whtout handling that. No
> > reputable school these
> > days lets such a dog out after training. No
> > reputable school in the past
> > did either. I know this casts your school whoever
> > it is in a bad light but
> > I have worked with dogs for thirty years and it is
> > simply not fair to the
> > blind person or general public to work with such
> > animals in social
> > situations (which means in a world with people
> > grin!).
> >
> > E.
> >
> >
> > At 07:16 PM 12/4/2006, you wrote:
> > >I agree. The first dog I received was a German
> > shepherd who, for some
> > >reason I never learned, didn't like Asian people.
> > I remember warning a
> > >friend who was Chinese not to pet her. He didn't
> > listen, and she bit him.
> > >Not badly, but to bite him at all was bad. She
> was
> > very protective of me
> > >in
> > >general, and I feared that other such incidents
> > would occur. She did
> > >retire
> > >early, but due to hip dysplasia. I kept her
> > because she was an excellent
> > >guide, and we worked well together, but in the
> back
> > of my mind I felt
> > >guilty, because I knew she might bite again.
> I've
> > had two dogs since then,
> > >and neither has demonstrated such tendencies.
> > >
> > >I'm thinking about getting another dog, but that
> > opens a whole new can of
> > >worms. I haven't decided how people will react
> to
> > the dog. I've done my
> > >current job for the past five years as a cane
> user,
> > and I'm not sure how
> > >people's opinions will change if I get a dog.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Shelley L. Rhodes
> > >Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:59 AM
> > >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's
> > reactions and stpid questions
> > >
> > >Yes indeed that is definitely over protectiness
> and
> > that dog should be
> > >retired. I have met several dogs, who were
> > "managed" like your friends dog
> > >and all of them ended up retiring early usually
> > after the escalated into
> > >nipping people or other dogs.
> > >
> > >Aggression is a trait that we do not want to see
> in
> > a guide dog of any
> > >breed.
> > >
> > >Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
> > >and Judson, guiding golden
> > >juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
> > >Graduate Alumni Association Board
> > >www.guidedogs.com
> > >
> > >Dog ownership is like a rainbow.
> > > Puppies are the joy at one end.
> > > Old dogs are the treasure at the other.
> > >Carolyn Alexander
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "robert tweedy"
> <roberttweedy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:10 AM
> > >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's
> > reactions and stpid questions
> > >
> > >
> > >That sounds like over protectness, our school
> > wouldn't like that.
> > >For skype contact bobwichitaks
> > >For msn contact info rt5117@xxxxxxx no emails.
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Elizabeth and Burton"
> > <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 12:47 AM
> > >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's
> > reactions and stpid questions
> > >
> > >
> > > >I would question the wisdom of any school
> letting
> > a dog out into everyday
> > > >reality which reacted in such a way to sudden
> > moves. Just my opinion.
> > > >My
> > > >school certainly would cull such a dog out. It
> > is just too unsafe for
> > > >the
> > > >dog's person otherwise.
> > > >
> > > > E.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 01:44 AM 12/4/2006, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Once I was in a restaurant with a friend who
> had
> > a guide dog, hallf
> > > >>German
> > > >>shephere and half German police. The dog was
> a
> > good worker but did not
> > > >>like
> > > >>sudden moves. A man at our table dropped the
> > lid to the catsup bottle
> > > >>on
> > > >>the floor under the table. The dog was under
> > there, and his partnner
> > > >>warned
> > > >>the man not to get the top because the dog
> might
> > bite. Well, the man
> > > >>did
> > > >>not listen and the dog bit him. Since there
> > were witnesses that the man
> > > >>had
> > > >>been warned, the man did not press charges,
> but
> > did need a few stitches.
> > > >>
> > > >>Sue S.
> > > >>
> > > >>----- Original Message -----
> > > >>From: "Shelley L. Rhodes"
> > <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 10:08 PM
> > > >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's
> > reactions and stpid questions
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>I don't mind if people ask to pet my dog,
> > particularly if he is laying
> > > >>down
> > > >>somewhere, or if I am in a familiar place,
> like
> > my church, at Western,
> > > >>or
> > > >>at
> > > >>my job this summer. In fact Judson knows the
> > command "Go say hi" and
> > > >>knows
> > > >>he is allowed to be a dog, when I give that
> > command.
> > > >>
> > > >>Now... I do need to reinforce this sigh, at
> the
> > church though as a
> > > >>couple
> > > >>of
> > > >>the girls are taking liberties.
> > > >>
> > > >>But I don't have a problem with people who ask
> > if I have the time.
> > > >>
> > > >>But if I say NO there is a reason why I am
> > saying NO, and please respect
> > > >>that, smile.
> > > >>
> > > >>Some people don't.
> > > >>
> > > >>Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
> > > >>and Judson, guiding golden
> > > >>juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
> > > >>Graduate Alumni Association Board
> > > >>www.guidedogs.com
> > > >>
> > > >>Dog ownership is like a rainbow.
> > > >> Puppies are the joy at one end.
> > > >> Old dogs are the treasure at the other.
> > > >>Carolyn Alexander
> > > >>
> > > >>----- Original Message -----
> > > >>From: <barbarab65@xxxxxxx>
> > > >>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:02 PM
> > > >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's
> > reactions and stpid questions
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>Sometimes, in the right circumstances, I ask
> > people who are not blind if
> > > >>I
> > > >>can pet their dog. Therefore, it would seem
> > normal for me to ask someone
> > > >>who
> > > >>is
> > > >> in blind, in the right circumstances, if I
> > could pet his or her dog.
> > > >> Now, I
> > > >>know not to do this, anymore. I think that
> the
> > sign helps because it is
> > > >>a
> > > >>natural inclination to pet dogs.
> > > >>
> > > >>Blind
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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