Jamie, If you have a public library convenient for you, I think you will enjoy getting to use it. I had never done this before starting to scan and proofread for Bookshare, and to think of all the years I have supported them with my taxes. Anyway, I can access their books on a web site, either request on line or call in and am notified when the book arrives. If you don't have easy access, however, I certainly understand; I just happen to be lucky that way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Prater" <jdprater@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:44 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: a little frustrated with a book I'm working on
Hi, Shelley, thanks again for going ahead and submitting the who gets the drumstick book even though it did need some cleaning up. I didn't mind cleaning it up and I would have done more if I had known what to do. I figured the book was old and that more than likely accounted for the minor boo-boos. I was just frustrated about page issues as I understand the concepts of what everybody's told me, it just souhnds like there's the appropriate amount of space before and after page numbers when there might not be and that is frustrating. Also, I'm not used to using our locallibrary or any library to get books. I only use the libraries for the blindand now bookshare, so I'm not sure if I could have gotten the book to rescan. I'm not mad at you for sending the book in before you did your usual stuff for me as we agreed I really wanted to read the book, and I don't regret the time I spent with it. I honestly do not remember readinganything about proofreaders needing a printed copy so we could rescan pages.I'm not sure whose responsibility that should have been. I'd have been willing but not able, and not sure how to save the pages that needed to berescanned so they could be properly entered into the book. I'll be glad to read the manual again, but I don't remember any of this being covered aboutwho should rescan pages when this is necessary. I also was trying to find the duplicated text I was asked to delete and for some reason, I couldn't find it. Off list, Shelley, could you tell me how to edit books on my braillenote? Do I need a CF card as I only use thumb drives for books on the braille note. I do not know where to get and how much a compact flashcard cost. I've had job problems lately, so I can't buy a CF card yet. Bythe way, no problem, but I'm a female Jamie. Please do not be offended by anything I have said as I would like to work with you again sometime. Iloved the book in spite of all this and will most likely download it to readagain and again as I've watched the movie yours, mine, and ours several times. Thanks again and have a blessed day. PS: I think I'll wait until you do your usual stuff before I proofread a book as you're a good worker for bookshare and it'll be worth the wait. Have a blessed day and keep up those great submissions. I love the craft and nature and other books.----- Original Message ----- From: "Shelley L. Rhodes" <guidinggolden@xxxxxxxxx>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 1:25 PMSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: a little frustrated with a book I'm working onHi Mayrie Renae and jamie P. I apologize to jamie for the frustration that he is experiencing with this book. I told him I was going to submit it raw, without cleaning it up first as he wanted to read it, and would edit it.It was a first edition, from 1965 and was yellowed as books from that timewill be. As I spot read it it appeared to be just fine and was readible with no really oddities. I will be happy to put it on the cf card and work on it as I have time to get it cleaned up. It is apparently beingedited by someone else, and as the submitter i can no longer reject my ownbooks or work on them, (not that I did often). mayrie's suggestions of what those characters are is a good one. I know from my own experiences with this scanner and how I do things that junkoften does appear on the top of the page or bottom of the page. It may be there for a couple of reasons, perhaps the book had a fancy graphic besidethe page number, had one book one time that had leaves on either side of the number and naturally they never scanned correctly, shrugs! Another book i had, had a book jacket that extended way beyond the page of the book and if I wasn't careful i ended up with extra junk or words from the book jacket tacked onto the page, that was frustrating.If you want a cleaned up submission that I usually do check out The Legendof Luke. How I normally prepare books for submission follows two tracks. 1. I scan the book i want to read, spot check it as I scan to ensure readibility and make sure I haven't missed any pages.Then I save it as a .rtf (I hate spell check), and load it onto my compactflash card for my Braillenote. When waiting for customers, traveling, relaxing at home or before bed I will relax with the Braillenote and edit some of a book on there removing junk, fixing spelling, grammar and the like, removing headers, protecting page numbers and all of that. After the book is cleaned up I will put it back onto my computer and submit the cleaned up .rtf file to the site with note that it has been read through and all the junk and wierd formatting is cleaned up. Track two usually involves a book that someone wants that I may notexactly be interested in. If Democrats had Any Brains falls distinctly inthis category. Frankly i did not want to read this book, but it was requested for the site, and someone was willing to clean it up for me.I love scanning, the physical act is actually quite medatative for me, andI am good and quick at it. There are a few things I find quite annoying however and spell check is one of them. I hate using it for work, email, and editing of books. In some ways it rubs me like nails on a chalk board so I avoid it as much as possible. I am also blind as is Mayrie and many of the other people on the list. I learned over the years to do a couple of tricks to solve challenging scanning problems.If I need to reascan a page I will write on a sticky note the page number.When i pick up the book from the library, corner a sighted friend or family member I will ask them to mark the page. if I can't find someone then I will just scan a random page, determine the page number and then pick another page from there. There are tricks to this thing we call bookshare honestly there are. Shelley L. Rhodes, M.A., VRT And Guinevere: Golden Lady Guide Dog guidinggolden@xxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs for the Blind Alumni Association www.guidedogs.comThe people who burned witches at the stake never for one moment thought oftheir act as violence; rather they thought of it as an act of divinely mandated righteousness. The same can be said of most of the violence we humans have ever committed. -Gil Bailie, author and lecturer (b. 1944)----- Original Message ----- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: a little frustrated with a book I'm working onHi Jamie, Well, the simplest question first. Page numbers need to be on a separate line and separated from the text on the page by a blank line because the tool that converts the rtf file to daisy and braille needs this separation to know what information to use as page number navigation. Without separating the page number from the text on the page by a blank line, that tool doesn't know what text is a page number and what text is just text to be read. Microsoft word inserts page numbers that are only visible whenprinting a document. They are not part of the text. Page numbers need tobe actually typed into the rtf document to actually appear there as text. As for being totally blind, that shouldn't cause you any problems in and of itself. Many of us, myself included, are totally blind and complete these tasks regularly and without problems. So, take hope, you can do it too. We just need to figure out how to help you learn to do it. Junk characters are characters that mean nothing in the text. Very often, the headers in books scan as junk because OCR doesn't understand the font that the headers are printed in and can't interpret it as text. So we, as readers of a scanned book see junk. That's why we remove it. Just remove it, the junk that is. Headers almost always appear on the same line as the page numberwhen the page number is at the top of the page. That is very likely whatthe junk is that you are seeing that is garbled. It happens very often that chapter headings are not preceded on the page by a page number. I honestly doubt that garbage that you see on a line after a page number is a chapter heading. That is very uncommon. You will need to locate each chapter heading and put the page number and a blank line before it on the page. Otherwise, the stripper (same tool that I mentionedabove with an evil glitch) may remove the chapter headings. This needs tobe done by hand. Some of the books that you work on will be clearer scans than others depending on a lot of things. Some books just don't scan well. Lots offactors contribute to that, quality of paper, type of font used, lightingin the room when the book was scanned, skill of the person doing the scan, lots of things, including how much preparatory work the submitter did before the book got to you. You don't need to rescan missing text necessarily. Very often thesubmitter of the book can rescan the needed pages and send you via e-mailthe missing text. If the submitter no longer has access to the book, perhaps someone else can rescan the text that you need, if you don't have,can't get, or can't scan that missing text for yourself. Lots of optionsthere. You just need to choose one and ask. I'm not sure where the trouble comes with removing duplicated text. I don't know if you don't trust yourself to know what should be removed, or if you don't know the keystrokes to remove it. The first is easy. If you read text twice, probably the repetition needs to go. If you need to know the keystrokes to select and remove text, we can help you with that, but it would help to know what software you're using to work on books. Have I covered all of your questions? If not, just ask. Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamie Prater Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:13 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] a little frustrated with a book I'm working on Hi, all, I'm a little frustrated about a book I'm working on. It's called who gets the drumstick, and it's a fantastic book that I've been wanting to read, and I've thoroughly enjoyed reading it. I'm frustrated because I wasasked to rescan a book that I'm only the proofreader of. I hope and prayI can do all the deleting of duplication of text and putting page numbers on separate lines that I have been asked to do. I have no sighted help whatsoever and am totally blind and am wondering how I'm to accomplish this when after every page number there uninteligible characters--probablyrepresenting Roman numeral chapter headings and/or braille paging numbersor something. I don't want to make the situation worse. I had similar troubles with another book--a children's book called Little Princeknow-it-all, and it still has yet to be added to the collection. What isit that makes the page numbers not be on a separate line and need to be placed on a separate line? I've not had to number pages in MicroSoft word inalmost four years and am at a loss as to how to fix the mistakes. Pleaseadvise as I want Shelley and myself to get the book ready for publishinginto the collection for others to enjoy and I want us both to have creditfor the work. How am I supposed to get the rescanned book page into my corrected and/or proofread copy and why is it that some books have these page issues and some are placed and numbered clearly and properly? Thanks for any and all suggestions and help as I want others to get access to this fantastic book. It is truly a warm and delightful story of family life that should be a classic if it isn't already. 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