[bksvol-discuss] Re: Yet Another Page Break Question

Tom,

Yes, the Bookshare tools look for hard page breaks.  OCR software like
FineReader and OmniPage put them in when they convert an image to text.
Sometimes, though, depending on the way the OCR software's configured, they
put in a section break instead of a hard page break or only put in half the
page breaks because someone scans two pages at a time without configuring
the OCR software for two page scanning.  Also, page breaks are sometimes
accidentally lost because someone edits a TXT file in Word.  Word does not
save hard page breaks when saving a TXT file.  From what I understand,
though, you can open a TXT file in Word then save it immediately to RTF and
page breaks will not be lost because it's the save operation for TXT files
that strips them.

HTH

Gerald

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Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 2:47 PM
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Gerald, are you telling us that bookshare wants only books with
hard-page-breaks?
It seems that this should be rethought, since all the programs I'm aware of
only insert the soft sort since they are doing it for printers not for
Bookshare.  Maybe you can share how or with what program will accomplish the
mission.  I guess I'm a little frustrated with the whole business of
page-breaks.  I don't mean to sound angry, but I am frustrated with an issue
that wonm't go away.
Tom Hawkins

----- Original Message -----
  From: Gerald Hovas
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  Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 9:22 AM
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  Lisa,

  Bookshare is not accepting books without hard page breaks.

  HTH

  Gerald

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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Lisa Belville
  Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:51 AM
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Yet Another Page Break Question


  Hi, Grace.

  I changed my view from print to normal and the page breaks magically
appeared.  Go figure.

  The page numbers and headers appear at the top of the page, or just after
word indicates a page break.  I will still have to insert page breaks,
though, since there's 682 pages in this book and the last page in Word is
352.  I'm thinking the submitter scanned two pages at a time with this one
and didn't insert page breaks as the book was being scanned.  I can't really
verify this, though, because the submitter is the everpopular Bookshare.org
Volunteer.  <smiles>

  Does anyone know if the Bookshare system distinguishes between hard and
soft page breaks, and if it does, which one is preferable?

  Thanks for the assistance.

  Lisa


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    From: Silvara
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    Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 5:33 PM
    Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Yet Another Page Break Question


    Lisa,

    When Word says the new page number, is the header with page number on
the first line?

    The other thing you could do is to extend the paper size so that Word
does not put in soft page breaks. Also be sure that word is in normal view.

    Grace
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Lisa Belville
      To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 9:47 AM
      Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Yet Another Page Break Question


      Hi, all.  I realize this subject has just about been put through the
ringer, but I'm not sure how to handle this...

      I have The Shining by Stephen King downloaded for validation.  The
original zip file was in RTF, and I use MS Word as my editor.  The file has
page breaks in it, but I don't think these would be considered valid because
Word only indicates I've gone from one page to another, but doesn't say
"Page Break", which is what it usually does with RTF files.  Also, if I try
inserting a manual page break, Word still doesn't call it a page break; it
just moves to the next page and tells me it's on a new page.  I've tried
saving it as a MS Word document, but I still have this thing with the page
breaks going on.

      Also, I have to put in page breaks manually, because the submitter has
two pages of text on what Word considers to be one page, Pages four with a
header and text merges into page five with header and text for example.  I
don't mind inserting the page breaks myself, but I need to know if there's a
difference between MS Word displaying a new page and a page break inserted
with the Control+Enter command.

      I do apoligize for rehashing this again, and thanks to everyone for
their suggestions.

      Lisa




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