But Kellie, Wouldn't those be Daisy page numbers? We who download brf books see numbers as well, but they are for Braille Grade II formatting. Sue S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kellie Hartmann" <hart0421@xxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 3:15 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Where are those contrarians? Hi Kenneth, You might know this already, but in the Daisy versions of Bookshare books the page numbers are in bookmarks. You can access them by pressing ctrl-R. I'm not sure how often they're accurate, but I've seen them. Kellie