[bksvol-discuss] Re: Validators

I concur with Elizabeth.  Which is why I say again, when mentioning that a
particular book has been messed up, please specify the title.  Just saying
you saw a book with bad page breaks, for example, doesn't help anyone track
down the problem.
Tracy
At 08:15 AM 10/6/05 -0400, you wrote:
>Then we need to get the submitter and validator to speak to each other so 
>some books at least can be tracked.  The two of them can find out what 
>software and conditions existed at all stages of the document's life.  We 
>can learn how to get this to work if we analyze specific cases.
>
>E.
>
>
>At 08:12 AM 10/6/2005, you wrote:
>
>>Tracy
>>
>>I am sure that you have improved the quality of many books -- that was not
>>my point.
>>Rather, and I speak from observation, I am suggesting that it is possible
>>that a validator can hurt and not assist the quality of a book in some
>>instances.
>>There is more to a book than every word perfect.  There are things such as
>>pagination being messed up by a word processor perhaps not formatted to
>>handle the way the book is,
>>an overzealous individual stripping page numbers or protection thereof,
>>and all the rest.
>>Yes, the BookShare stripper is overzealous also, as is any automated tool;
>>but the truth is that we, as validators, too can cause problems
>>(unintentionally, of course)
>>as can other individuals in the whole process.
>>I am a validator too so, in my comments, I am criticizing myself as much
>>as anyone.
>>And as this is a continual learning process, I am merely suggesting that
>>we can learn from what happens to books and should occasionally study our
>>work, as it appears in the collection, to see if it comes
>>out in the form we expected.
>>Usually, all is fine; but there are the occasions when the end result is
>>more than disappointing.
>>
>>My second point, Tracy, is that a lot of books need little or no work as
>>the submitter has gone through great pains in preparation.
>>Respect that, I say, and treat those as straightforward validations noting
>>any comments left as what may need to be done.
>>Many submitters too take great pride in their work and feel let down when
>>that
>>book they spent extra hours to get it just right has it run through a word
>>processing program that reformats every page so that the original benefits
>>are negated.
>>
>>
>>why, when I scan, should I spend many extra hours getting things "right"
>>(as I see it) if, in the end, it is for naught!
>>And I have had other submitters privately lament what has happened to
>>their work -- and it goes beyond the stripper -- as an apparent result of
>>something going amiss (possibly even unknown to the validator)
>>as part of the process.
>>
>>If my work as a careful submitter means nothing, perhaps I should begin
>>submitting raw scans of books done in an hour rather than spending days
>>getting it ready!
>>
>>I am criticizing no one in particular!  My msg is mainly directed at new
>>validators to be careful in what they are doing as they can possibly do
>>harm as well as much good -- and likely they will do more of the latter
>>and none of the former.
>>Also, if you feel offended as a validator, how do you believe submitters
>>who get sniped at on this list, if they learn of it directly or
>>indirectly, react.
>>They probably feel unappreciated too.
>>
>>My comments are meant as general constructive ones much as and in the same
>>spirit as Elizabeth has recently offered hers.
>>She has given me plenty of food for thought, and that is what we all need
>>as we try to improve both the art of submitting or validating.
>>
>>And if I haven't publicly already said this, Thanks, Elizabeth, for
>>addressing the issues have.  Most of the time I agree with you, sometimes
>>I don't; but I always appreciate your directness and candor and honesty
>>and know you don't offer them with negativity but in the hopeful spirit
>>that we can learn and improve.
>>And what I offer is in the same vein.
>>
>>                 Mike
>>
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