[bksvol-discuss] Re: Validation and page number removal
- From: "Kenneth A. Cross" <crossk@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:30:31 -0500
Of course I agree, and I can't really understand why this problem isn't
being given more attention.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Amber Wallenstein" <amber.wallens@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:03 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Validation and page number removal
> Ken,
> I agree with you 110%. I am a student and am very frustrated I can not
use
> bookshare books in my research because I am unable to cite page numbers.
I
> would strongly strongly encourage BKS staff to rethink their policy on
this.
> Amber
> "I don't want to just mess with your head. I want to mess with your life.
> I
> want you to miss appointments, burn dinner, skip your homework. I want
you
> to tell your wife to take that moonlight stroll on the beach at Waikiki
> with
> the resort tennis pro while you read a few more chapters." ~ Stephen King
> e-mail: awallens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kenneth A. Cross" <crossk@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:00 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Validation and page number removal
>
>
> > Actually, I wrote the first part of my note because I had just seen a
> > message about a submitter who had already removed all the headers and
page
> > numbers before submitting the book. That struck me as undesirable.
And,
> > by
> > the way, Ken is what I prefer. Further, it really concerns me that page
> > numbers are being eliminated, if not in submission, then by the
stripper.
> > Even if you read the entire book in a submission, you can't be sure some
> > pages are omitted. Suppose, for example, that someone left out an
entire
> > chapter. You might not even know.
> >
> > Beyond all this, though, is that most people who don't want to be
bothered
> > by the headers or page numbers can remove them in short order
themselves,
> > while those who would really like to have them can't possibly put them
> > back
> > after the submitter, validator, or stripper have removed them.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 6:22 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Validation and page number removal
> >
> >
> >> I'm surprised at your question, Ken (or do you prefer
> >> Kenneth?), because I didn't think that page numbers
> >> were removed in advance. they're not supposed to be,
> >> as far as I know. Theoretically, having different page
> >> numbers on the same line as the header should prevent
> >> the that line from being deleted, because the header
> >> deleter is supposed to delete only things that are
> >> repeated, and the page numbers would be different. Of
> >> course, lots of times, because of thescanners (the
> >> machines, not the people), the headngs are different,
> >> too, which is why they aren't deleted and we have to
> >> delete them manually.
> >>
> >> But to answer your question, i.e., how can the
> >> validator tell if all the pages are there, the answer
> >> would be, he/she has to read the book he/sheis
> >> validating. Or, and I've done this for a couple of
> >> books that I wasn't enjoying and really didn't want to
> >> read, one can check the last line of one page and the
> >> first line of the next and see if the latter logically
> >> follows the former.
> >>
> >> When I'm validating a book that is missing some (not
> >> usually all, and it occurs usually when the page
> >> numbers are at the bottom of the page) page numbers, I
> >> put them in. Then, after I've completed the
> >> validation and done a spell check (and I've found some
> >> things I've missed in my reading--sometimes I see
> >> things I expect to see that aren't there, but maybe
> >> this doesn't occur with someone's who's listening to a
> >> book or reading it in Braille) I go through the page
> >> numbers. I've found that sometimes I've forgotten to
> >> put in a page number of have duplicated numbers -- not
> >> the pages themselves, but I've mis-numbered. I think
> >> this happens most when I've been so involved in
> >> reading that I've gone from one page to the next
> >> forgetting to put in the page number, or not thinking
> >> about which one it is.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sorry to have been so long-winded.
> >>
> >> Cindy
> >>
> >>
> >> -- "Kenneth A. Cross" <crossk@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> > How in the world can a validator determine that a
> >> > book is complete if all
> >> > the page numbers are removed in advance? Of course,
> >> > you can take the word
> >> > of the submitter, but, then, why not just have the
> >> > submitter approve it?
> >> > And I want to reiterate that anyone wishing to use a
> >> > book with a discussion
> >> > group including those with vision is much advantaged
> >> > by having access to
> >> > page numbers from the print book. In fact, I am
> >> > about to submit a book on
> >> > the Bible by Isaac Asimov which is twelve hundred
> >> > thirty pages long and in
> >> > which he frequently refers to pages of the book
> >> > where the reader might want
> >> > to turn for clarification. What will a reader do
> >> > with that book if all
> >> > numbers are stripped?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
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