[bksvol-discuss] Re: VOTE! Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References
- From: "Sue Stevens" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:33:46 -0500
Also, if the footnote is numbered in the text on the page, with the
corresponding number for the footnote, the phrase footnote begins, or begin
footnote would not be needed either.
Sue S.
From: Cindy
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:21 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: VOTE! Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote
References
I vote for not using the phrase end footnote. Actually, since they're at the
end the page and thus would be followed by a page break and a new page they
shouldn'tt be necessary. Even is the page number is at the end of the page and
not at the top, there is a space between the last line of the footnote and the
page number so it would be clear that the footnote has ended.
Cindy
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From: Sue Stevens <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 4:04 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: VOTE! Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote
References
Let's get rid of it!!!
Sue S.
-----Original Message----- From: Mayrie ReNae
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:47 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: VOTE! Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote
References
Hi Sue,
That is what I thought. But because others spoke up loudly for the words
being placed there, that is what was recommended that we do.
Should we revisit this and opt not to have the "end footnote" phrase? I
personally would love to see that happen.
We do want the best solution for the most people. And if Bookshare didn't
ever change, we wouldn't be where we are today.
If the topic of how to handle footnote citations at the end of the page is
revisited, please limit your comments to either of the following statements:
Keep "end footnote"
or "End footnote" is unnecessary since the closing bracket denotes that.
We don't want a huge overblown thread, simply a decision.
Those of you who are gritting your teeth, please forgive me. I too don't
like when this kind of thing happens. We've revisited way too many decisions
in the past. Let's keep this short and quick.
I'm in the process of reworking the Scanning and Proofreading Manual to make
it more concise, but still as inclusive as possible, as well as putting all
of those separate linked pages into one document. If we're going to change
this, now would be an optimal time to do it.
I'll watch through the next two or three days and decide accordingly about
what is thought to be most helpful to the most people, given the smallness
of our population on this list compared to the entire Bookshare patronage.
Thanks for all of your tolerance and patience. We won't revisit this again
after this Friday.
Mayrie
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sue Stevens
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:05 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote
References
It seems unnecessary, in my opinion, to put the words footnote, and end
footnote. If the foootnote is in brackets, the readers will know when they
end and when they begin.
Sue S.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mayrie ReNae
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:38 PM
To: k1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote
References
Hi Rik,
Please, please don't move text from one page to another unless it is to join
a broken word between two pages to the page on which it begins. And please
don't move footnote citations from one page to another when preparing books
for Bookshare. This is an altering of the text that we don't permit.
Also, your handling of footnotes by labeling them is absolutely fine and
preferred. You should, however, please, include that text in brackets like
this:
[Footnote: Hop On Pop by Dr. Seuss
End footnote]
And finally, to give the best results for all readers please handle
inserting footnote numbers by placing them in brackets [] and surrounding
those by spaces. Though this is not traditional, it has been stated as the
way that works best for braille readers of Bookshare books who don't have
access to superscripted numbers, and sighted readers using the same books.
Thanks for all of your intense attention to detail! You folks with the
patience to tackle this kind of stuff are marvelous! I have to want to read
a book so badly that I can taste it before I'll willingly attempt processing
this stuff.
Rock on everyone! We truly do have a devoted, conscientious, and just plain
wonderful group of volunteers! We really value all of you!
Mayrie
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From: k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ohio1803@xxxxx
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:14 AM
To: k1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References
Hello Kane,
Wow, as many as 20 citation notes on each page? That is pretty dense, isn't
it.
I sure do not know about setting up K-1000 to do this stuff automatically.
Maybe. But I don't know. And even if so, it seems that the likelihood it
might do it wrong is pretty likely, too. Thereby changing something that
might negatively impact the citation. And if you do happen to be a Bookshare
member who is reading this type of content and want the citation, then that
is not good. Not to mention the publisher agreements.
My 2 cents are maybe just for others to hear and see what they think.
I'm not exactly sure, officially.
I have the following ideas to tell you. I have scanned with footnotes and
citations on the same page.
Two ways.
In one method, I have moved the citations, to the end of the chapter or
section in which they are.
But when I do, I try to make good and sure that the citation number with the
text in the page is clear and that the citation is correct.
Moving text in this way does allow the reader to move through the content
and not be interrupted with the narrative so much. This is also something
you can do with photograph captions. Caution. Anytime we do this type of
thing, however, great care to make sure you do it without omission or
errors.
In the other method, I leave the citations on the same page, and just make
sure that the citation numbers are as stated in the manual. If you have a
number right up beside the period, it is clear that there is a citation for
it. I have not yet put that number in a bracket. But maybe I should. So I
did not know about that.
But down below with the citation, I do this, which I do not think is in the
manual. I put the word "footnote" in that bracket. For example, [footnote #
1: Alfred's Good Rule of Thumb, 1997. end footnote # 1]. Maybe this is
wrong, and I should never do it again.
But, for me, at least, this seems to clearly indicate as I am reading that
this is the citation to the above content.
(The insertion of the word "footnote," I mean.) But it is probably not
altogether necessary. Maybe a bothersome thing to hear for another reader .
Also...
In either case, for me what I try to do is to make sure that the page ends
in a complete sentence. Whether that means grabbing the end of a sentence
from the next page and pasting with the text at the end of the page, or vice
versa, moving the incomplete sentence to paste with the rest on the next
page. For me, this is the thing I most like to find in Bookshare books I
download and read. That I don't have to lose my train of thought on a
broken up sentence. But of course a lot of times you just have to be paying
enough attention as you read, and notice you had a broken sentence and go
find the rest of it.
Sorry I got sort of long.
But I hope that helps and makes some sense.
Really, when tackling these types of books, I think you kind of need to know
they will take this kind of detailed effort. If you do not want to fool with
all of it, perhaps choosing books without so darned much citations is a
better fit. Especially when we are putting them in this permanent collection
for the members. If I do it for my own personal reading I often skip all
that stuff, too.
Thanks
Rik James
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[mailto:k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ohio1803@xxxxx
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:14 AM
To: k1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References
Hello Kane,
Wow, as many as 20 citation notes on each page? That is pretty dense, isn't
it.
I sure do not know about setting up K-1000 to do this stuff automatically.
Maybe. But I don't know. And even if so, it seems that the likelihood it
might do it wrong is pretty likely, too. Thereby changing something that
might negatively impact the citation. And if you do happen to be a Bookshare
member who is reading this type of content and want the citation, then that
is not good. Not to mention the publisher agreements.
My 2 cents are maybe just for others to hear and see what they think.
I'm not exactly sure, officially.
I have the following ideas to tell you. I have scanned with footnotes and
citations on the same page.
Two ways.
In one method, I have moved the citations, to the end of the chapter or
section in which they are.
But when I do, I try to make good and sure that the citation number with the
text in the page is clear and that the citation is correct.
Moving text in this way does allow the reader to move through the content
and not be interrupted with the narrative so much. This is also something
you can do with photograph captions. Caution. Anytime we do this type of
thing, however, great care to make sure you do it without omission or
errors.
In the other method, I leave the citations on the same page, and just make
sure that the citation numbers are as stated in the manual. If you have a
number right up beside the period, it is clear that there is a citation for
it. I have not yet put that number in a bracket. But maybe I should. So I
did not know about that.
But down below with the citation, I do this, which I do not think is in the
manual. I put the word "footnote" in that bracket. For example, [footnote #
1: Alfred's Good Rule of Thumb, 1997. end footnote # 1]. Maybe this is
wrong, and I should never do it again.
But, for me, at least, this seems to clearly indicate as I am reading that
this is the citation to the above content.
(The insertion of the word "footnote," I mean.) But it is probably not
altogether necessary. Maybe a bothersome thing to hear for another reader .
Also...
In either case, for me what I try to do is to make sure that the page ends
in a complete sentence. Whether that means grabbing the end of a sentence
from the next page and pasting with the text at the end of the page, or vice
versa, moving the incomplete sentence to paste with the rest on the next
page. For me, this is the thing I most like to find in Bookshare books I
download and read. That I don't have to lose my train of thought on a
broken up sentence. But of course a lot of times you just have to be paying
enough attention as you read, and notice you had a broken sentence and go
find the rest of it.
Sorry I got sort of long.
But I hope that helps and makes some sense.
Really, when tackling these types of books, I think you kind of need to know
they will take this kind of detailed effort. If you do not want to fool with
all of it, perhaps choosing books without so darned much citations is a
better fit. Especially when we are putting them in this permanent collection
for the members. If I do it for my own personal reading I often skip all
that stuff, too.
Thanks
Rik James
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