[bksvol-discuss] Re: VOTE! Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References
- From: "Deborah Murray" <blinkeeblink@xxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:25:38 -0400
Me too--get rid of it!
Deborah
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I agree with Sue to not include the phrase.
Evan
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From: "Sue Stevens" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:04 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: VOTE! Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote
References
> Let's get rid of it!!!
>
> Sue S.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mayrie ReNae
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:47 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: VOTE! Efficient Way To Treat/Include
> Footnote References
>
> Hi Sue,
>
> That is what I thought. But because others spoke up loudly for the words
> being placed there, that is what was recommended that we do.
>
> Should we revisit this and opt not to have the "end footnote" phrase? I
> personally would love to see that happen.
>
> We do want the best solution for the most people. And if Bookshare didn't
> ever change, we wouldn't be where we are today.
>
> If the topic of how to handle footnote citations at the end of the page is
> revisited, please limit your comments to either of the following
> statements:
>
> Keep "end footnote"
> or "End footnote" is unnecessary since the closing bracket denotes that.
>
> We don't want a huge overblown thread, simply a decision.
>
> Those of you who are gritting your teeth, please forgive me. I too don't
> like when this kind of thing happens. We've revisited way too many
> decisions
> in the past. Let's keep this short and quick.
>
> I'm in the process of reworking the Scanning and Proofreading Manual to
> make
> it more concise, but still as inclusive as possible, as well as putting
> all
> of those separate linked pages into one document. If we're going to
> change
> this, now would be an optimal time to do it.
>
> I'll watch through the next two or three days and decide accordingly about
> what is thought to be most helpful to the most people, given the smallness
> of our population on this list compared to the entire Bookshare patronage.
>
> Thanks for all of your tolerance and patience. We won't revisit this again
> after this Friday.
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sue Stevens
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:05 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote
> References
>
> It seems unnecessary, in my opinion, to put the words footnote, and end
> footnote. If the foootnote is in brackets, the readers will know when
> they
> end and when they begin.
>
> Sue S.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mayrie ReNae
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:38 PM
> To: k1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote
> References
>
> Hi Rik,
>
> Please, please don't move text from one page to another unless it is to
> join
> a broken word between two pages to the page on which it begins. And
> please
> don't move footnote citations from one page to another when preparing
> books
> for Bookshare. This is an altering of the text that we don't permit.
>
> Also, your handling of footnotes by labeling them is absolutely fine and
> preferred. You should, however, please, include that text in brackets
> like
> this:
>
> [Footnote: Hop On Pop by Dr. Seuss
> End footnote]
>
> And finally, to give the best results for all readers please handle
> inserting footnote numbers by placing them in brackets [] and surrounding
> those by spaces. Though this is not traditional, it has been stated as
> the
> way that works best for braille readers of Bookshare books who don't have
> access to superscripted numbers, and sighted readers using the same books.
>
> Thanks for all of your intense attention to detail! You folks with the
> patience to tackle this kind of stuff are marvelous! I have to want to
> read
> a book so badly that I can taste it before I'll willingly attempt
> processing
> this stuff.
>
> Rock on everyone! We truly do have a devoted, conscientious, and just
> plain
> wonderful group of volunteers! We really value all of you!
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ohio1803@xxxxx
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:14 AM
> To: k1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References
>
> Hello Kane,
>
> Wow, as many as 20 citation notes on each page? That is pretty dense,
> isn't
> it.
>
> I sure do not know about setting up K-1000 to do this stuff automatically.
> Maybe. But I don't know. And even if so, it seems that the likelihood it
> might do it wrong is pretty likely, too. Thereby changing something that
> might negatively impact the citation. And if you do happen to be a
> Bookshare
> member who is reading this type of content and want the citation, then
> that
> is not good. Not to mention the publisher agreements.
>
> My 2 cents are maybe just for others to hear and see what they think.
> I'm not exactly sure, officially.
>
> I have the following ideas to tell you. I have scanned with footnotes and
> citations on the same page.
> Two ways.
>
> In one method, I have moved the citations, to the end of the chapter or
> section in which they are.
> But when I do, I try to make good and sure that the citation number with
> the
> text in the page is clear and that the citation is correct.
> Moving text in this way does allow the reader to move through the content
> and not be interrupted with the narrative so much. This is also something
> you can do with photograph captions. Caution. Anytime we do this type of
> thing, however, great care to make sure you do it without omission or
> errors.
>
> In the other method, I leave the citations on the same page, and just make
> sure that the citation numbers are as stated in the manual. If you have a
> number right up beside the period, it is clear that there is a citation
> for
> it. I have not yet put that number in a bracket. But maybe I should. So I
> did not know about that.
>
> But down below with the citation, I do this, which I do not think is in
> the
> manual. I put the word "footnote" in that bracket. For example, [footnote
> #
> 1: Alfred's Good Rule of Thumb, 1997. end footnote # 1]. Maybe this is
> wrong, and I should never do it again.
>
> But, for me, at least, this seems to clearly indicate as I am reading that
> this is the citation to the above content.
> (The insertion of the word "footnote," I mean.) But it is probably not
> altogether necessary. Maybe a bothersome thing to hear for another reader
> .
>
> Also...
>
> In either case, for me what I try to do is to make sure that the page ends
> in a complete sentence. Whether that means grabbing the end of a
> sentence
> from the next page and pasting with the text at the end of the page, or
> vice
> versa, moving the incomplete sentence to paste with the rest on the next
> page. For me, this is the thing I most like to find in Bookshare books I
> download and read. That I don't have to lose my train of thought on a
> broken up sentence. But of course a lot of times you just have to be
> paying
> enough attention as you read, and notice you had a broken sentence and go
> find the rest of it.
>
> Sorry I got sort of long.
> But I hope that helps and makes some sense.
>
> Really, when tackling these types of books, I think you kind of need to
> know
> they will take this kind of detailed effort. If you do not want to fool
> with
> all of it, perhaps choosing books without so darned much citations is a
> better fit. Especially when we are putting them in this permanent
> collection
> for the members. If I do it for my own personal reading I often skip all
> that stuff, too.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Rik James
>
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ohio1803@xxxxx
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:14 AM
> To: k1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References
>
> Hello Kane,
>
> Wow, as many as 20 citation notes on each page? That is pretty dense,
> isn't
> it.
>
> I sure do not know about setting up K-1000 to do this stuff automatically.
> Maybe. But I don't know. And even if so, it seems that the likelihood it
> might do it wrong is pretty likely, too. Thereby changing something that
> might negatively impact the citation. And if you do happen to be a
> Bookshare
> member who is reading this type of content and want the citation, then
> that
> is not good. Not to mention the publisher agreements.
>
> My 2 cents are maybe just for others to hear and see what they think.
> I'm not exactly sure, officially.
>
> I have the following ideas to tell you. I have scanned with footnotes and
> citations on the same page.
> Two ways.
>
> In one method, I have moved the citations, to the end of the chapter or
> section in which they are.
> But when I do, I try to make good and sure that the citation number with
> the
> text in the page is clear and that the citation is correct.
> Moving text in this way does allow the reader to move through the content
> and not be interrupted with the narrative so much. This is also something
> you can do with photograph captions. Caution. Anytime we do this type of
> thing, however, great care to make sure you do it without omission or
> errors.
>
> In the other method, I leave the citations on the same page, and just make
> sure that the citation numbers are as stated in the manual. If you have a
> number right up beside the period, it is clear that there is a citation
> for
> it. I have not yet put that number in a bracket. But maybe I should. So I
> did not know about that.
>
> But down below with the citation, I do this, which I do not think is in
> the
> manual. I put the word "footnote" in that bracket. For example, [footnote
> #
> 1: Alfred's Good Rule of Thumb, 1997. end footnote # 1]. Maybe this is
> wrong, and I should never do it again.
>
> But, for me, at least, this seems to clearly indicate as I am reading that
> this is the citation to the above content.
> (The insertion of the word "footnote," I mean.) But it is probably not
> altogether necessary. Maybe a bothersome thing to hear for another reader
> .
>
> Also...
>
> In either case, for me what I try to do is to make sure that the page ends
> in a complete sentence. Whether that means grabbing the end of a
> sentence
> from the next page and pasting with the text at the end of the page, or
> vice
> versa, moving the incomplete sentence to paste with the rest on the next
> page. For me, this is the thing I most like to find in Bookshare books I
> download and read. That I don't have to lose my train of thought on a
> broken up sentence. But of course a lot of times you just have to be
> paying
> enough attention as you read, and notice you had a broken sentence and go
> find the rest of it.
>
> Sorry I got sort of long.
> But I hope that helps and makes some sense.
>
> Really, when tackling these types of books, I think you kind of need to
> know
> they will take this kind of detailed effort. If you do not want to fool
> with
> all of it, perhaps choosing books without so darned much citations is a
> better fit. Especially when we are putting them in this permanent
> collection
> for the members. If I do it for my own personal reading I often skip all
> that stuff, too.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Rik James
>
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