[bksvol-discuss] Re: VOTE! Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References
- From: "Ixchel, Jackie" <starsandhearts2@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 19:29:10 -0400
Would the word foot note still be there? If so, get rid of "end foot note".
Thanks,
Jackie
On 3/19/12, Kathy Hester <kathyruthh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Keep it.
> "The LORD bless you and keep you;
> the LORD make His face shine upon you
> and be gracious to you;
> the LORD turn His face toward you
> and give you peace."
> Numbers 6:24-26
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sue Stevens" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:04 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: VOTE! Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote
> References
>
>
>> Let's get rid of it!!!
>>
>> Sue S.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mayrie ReNae
>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:47 PM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: VOTE! Efficient Way To Treat/Include
>> Footnote References
>>
>> Hi Sue,
>>
>> That is what I thought. But because others spoke up loudly for the words
>> being placed there, that is what was recommended that we do.
>>
>> Should we revisit this and opt not to have the "end footnote" phrase? I
>> personally would love to see that happen.
>>
>> We do want the best solution for the most people. And if Bookshare didn't
>> ever change, we wouldn't be where we are today.
>>
>> If the topic of how to handle footnote citations at the end of the page is
>> revisited, please limit your comments to either of the following
>> statements:
>>
>> Keep "end footnote"
>> or "End footnote" is unnecessary since the closing bracket denotes that.
>>
>> We don't want a huge overblown thread, simply a decision.
>>
>> Those of you who are gritting your teeth, please forgive me. I too don't
>> like when this kind of thing happens. We've revisited way too many
>> decisions
>> in the past. Let's keep this short and quick.
>>
>> I'm in the process of reworking the Scanning and Proofreading Manual to
>> make
>> it more concise, but still as inclusive as possible, as well as putting
>> all
>> of those separate linked pages into one document. If we're going to
>> change
>> this, now would be an optimal time to do it.
>>
>> I'll watch through the next two or three days and decide accordingly about
>> what is thought to be most helpful to the most people, given the smallness
>> of our population on this list compared to the entire Bookshare patronage.
>>
>> Thanks for all of your tolerance and patience. We won't revisit this again
>> after this Friday.
>>
>> Mayrie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sue Stevens
>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:05 PM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote
>> References
>>
>> It seems unnecessary, in my opinion, to put the words footnote, and end
>> footnote. If the foootnote is in brackets, the readers will know when
>> they
>> end and when they begin.
>>
>> Sue S.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mayrie ReNae
>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:38 PM
>> To: k1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Cc: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote
>> References
>>
>> Hi Rik,
>>
>> Please, please don't move text from one page to another unless it is to
>> join
>> a broken word between two pages to the page on which it begins. And
>> please
>> don't move footnote citations from one page to another when preparing
>> books
>> for Bookshare. This is an altering of the text that we don't permit.
>>
>> Also, your handling of footnotes by labeling them is absolutely fine and
>> preferred. You should, however, please, include that text in brackets
>> like
>> this:
>>
>> [Footnote: Hop On Pop by Dr. Seuss
>> End footnote]
>>
>> And finally, to give the best results for all readers please handle
>> inserting footnote numbers by placing them in brackets [] and surrounding
>> those by spaces. Though this is not traditional, it has been stated as
>> the
>> way that works best for braille readers of Bookshare books who don't have
>> access to superscripted numbers, and sighted readers using the same books.
>>
>> Thanks for all of your intense attention to detail! You folks with the
>> patience to tackle this kind of stuff are marvelous! I have to want to
>> read
>> a book so badly that I can taste it before I'll willingly attempt
>> processing
>> this stuff.
>>
>> Rock on everyone! We truly do have a devoted, conscientious, and just
>> plain
>> wonderful group of volunteers! We really value all of you!
>>
>> Mayrie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ohio1803@xxxxx
>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:14 AM
>> To: k1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References
>>
>> Hello Kane,
>>
>> Wow, as many as 20 citation notes on each page? That is pretty dense,
>> isn't
>> it.
>>
>> I sure do not know about setting up K-1000 to do this stuff automatically.
>> Maybe. But I don't know. And even if so, it seems that the likelihood it
>> might do it wrong is pretty likely, too. Thereby changing something that
>> might negatively impact the citation. And if you do happen to be a
>> Bookshare
>> member who is reading this type of content and want the citation, then
>> that
>> is not good. Not to mention the publisher agreements.
>>
>> My 2 cents are maybe just for others to hear and see what they think.
>> I'm not exactly sure, officially.
>>
>> I have the following ideas to tell you. I have scanned with footnotes and
>> citations on the same page.
>> Two ways.
>>
>> In one method, I have moved the citations, to the end of the chapter or
>> section in which they are.
>> But when I do, I try to make good and sure that the citation number with
>> the
>> text in the page is clear and that the citation is correct.
>> Moving text in this way does allow the reader to move through the content
>> and not be interrupted with the narrative so much. This is also something
>> you can do with photograph captions. Caution. Anytime we do this type of
>> thing, however, great care to make sure you do it without omission or
>> errors.
>>
>> In the other method, I leave the citations on the same page, and just make
>> sure that the citation numbers are as stated in the manual. If you have a
>> number right up beside the period, it is clear that there is a citation
>> for
>> it. I have not yet put that number in a bracket. But maybe I should. So I
>> did not know about that.
>>
>> But down below with the citation, I do this, which I do not think is in
>> the
>> manual. I put the word "footnote" in that bracket. For example, [footnote
>>
>> #
>> 1: Alfred's Good Rule of Thumb, 1997. end footnote # 1]. Maybe this is
>> wrong, and I should never do it again.
>>
>> But, for me, at least, this seems to clearly indicate as I am reading that
>> this is the citation to the above content.
>> (The insertion of the word "footnote," I mean.) But it is probably not
>> altogether necessary. Maybe a bothersome thing to hear for another reader
>> .
>>
>> Also...
>>
>> In either case, for me what I try to do is to make sure that the page ends
>> in a complete sentence. Whether that means grabbing the end of a
>> sentence
>> from the next page and pasting with the text at the end of the page, or
>> vice
>> versa, moving the incomplete sentence to paste with the rest on the next
>> page. For me, this is the thing I most like to find in Bookshare books I
>> download and read. That I don't have to lose my train of thought on a
>> broken up sentence. But of course a lot of times you just have to be
>> paying
>> enough attention as you read, and notice you had a broken sentence and go
>> find the rest of it.
>>
>> Sorry I got sort of long.
>> But I hope that helps and makes some sense.
>>
>> Really, when tackling these types of books, I think you kind of need to
>> know
>> they will take this kind of detailed effort. If you do not want to fool
>> with
>> all of it, perhaps choosing books without so darned much citations is a
>> better fit. Especially when we are putting them in this permanent
>> collection
>> for the members. If I do it for my own personal reading I often skip all
>> that stuff, too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Rik James
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:k1000-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ohio1803@xxxxx
>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:14 AM
>> To: k1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References
>>
>> Hello Kane,
>>
>> Wow, as many as 20 citation notes on each page? That is pretty dense,
>> isn't
>> it.
>>
>> I sure do not know about setting up K-1000 to do this stuff automatically.
>> Maybe. But I don't know. And even if so, it seems that the likelihood it
>> might do it wrong is pretty likely, too. Thereby changing something that
>> might negatively impact the citation. And if you do happen to be a
>> Bookshare
>> member who is reading this type of content and want the citation, then
>> that
>> is not good. Not to mention the publisher agreements.
>>
>> My 2 cents are maybe just for others to hear and see what they think.
>> I'm not exactly sure, officially.
>>
>> I have the following ideas to tell you. I have scanned with footnotes and
>> citations on the same page.
>> Two ways.
>>
>> In one method, I have moved the citations, to the end of the chapter or
>> section in which they are.
>> But when I do, I try to make good and sure that the citation number with
>> the
>> text in the page is clear and that the citation is correct.
>> Moving text in this way does allow the reader to move through the content
>> and not be interrupted with the narrative so much. This is also something
>> you can do with photograph captions. Caution. Anytime we do this type of
>> thing, however, great care to make sure you do it without omission or
>> errors.
>>
>> In the other method, I leave the citations on the same page, and just make
>> sure that the citation numbers are as stated in the manual. If you have a
>> number right up beside the period, it is clear that there is a citation
>> for
>> it. I have not yet put that number in a bracket. But maybe I should. So I
>> did not know about that.
>>
>> But down below with the citation, I do this, which I do not think is in
>> the
>> manual. I put the word "footnote" in that bracket. For example, [footnote
>>
>> #
>> 1: Alfred's Good Rule of Thumb, 1997. end footnote # 1]. Maybe this is
>> wrong, and I should never do it again.
>>
>> But, for me, at least, this seems to clearly indicate as I am reading that
>> this is the citation to the above content.
>> (The insertion of the word "footnote," I mean.) But it is probably not
>> altogether necessary. Maybe a bothersome thing to hear for another reader
>> .
>>
>> Also...
>>
>> In either case, for me what I try to do is to make sure that the page ends
>> in a complete sentence. Whether that means grabbing the end of a
>> sentence
>> from the next page and pasting with the text at the end of the page, or
>> vice
>> versa, moving the incomplete sentence to paste with the rest on the next
>> page. For me, this is the thing I most like to find in Bookshare books I
>> download and read. That I don't have to lose my train of thought on a
>> broken up sentence. But of course a lot of times you just have to be
>> paying
>> enough attention as you read, and notice you had a broken sentence and go
>> find the rest of it.
>>
>> Sorry I got sort of long.
>> But I hope that helps and makes some sense.
>>
>> Really, when tackling these types of books, I think you kind of need to
>> know
>> they will take this kind of detailed effort. If you do not want to fool
>> with
>> all of it, perhaps choosing books without so darned much citations is a
>> better fit. Especially when we are putting them in this permanent
>> collection
>> for the members. If I do it for my own personal reading I often skip all
>> that stuff, too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Rik James
>>
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