I vote for not using the phrase end footnote. Actually,
since they're at the end the page and thus would be followed
by a page break and a new page they shouldn'tt be necessary.
Even is the page number is at the end of the page and not at
the top, there is a space between the last line of the
footnote and the page number so it would be clear that the
footnote has ended.
Cindy
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From: Sue Stevens <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 4:04 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: VOTE! Efficient Way To
Treat/Include Footnote References
Let's get rid of it!!!
Sue S.
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Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:47 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: VOTE! Efficient Way To
Treat/Include Footnote References
Hi Sue,
That is what I thought. But because others spoke up loudly
for the words
being placed there, that is what was recommended that we do.
Should we revisit this and opt not to have the "end
footnote" phrase? I
personally would love to see that happen.
We do want the best solution for the most people. And if
Bookshare didn't
ever change, we wouldn't be where we are today.
If the topic of how to handle footnote citations at the end
of the page is
revisited, please limit your comments to either of the
following statements:
Keep "end footnote"
or "End footnote" is unnecessary since the closing bracket
denotes that.
We don't want a huge overblown thread, simply a decision.
Those of you who are gritting your teeth, please forgive
me. I too don't
like when this kind of thing happens. We've revisited way
too many decisions
in the past. Let's keep this short and quick.
I'm in the process of reworking the Scanning and
Proofreading Manual to make
it more concise, but still as inclusive as possible, as well
as putting all
of those separate linked pages into one document. If we're
going to change
this, now would be an optimal time to do it.
I'll watch through the next two or three days and decide
accordingly about
what is thought to be most helpful to the most people, given
the smallness
of our population on this list compared to the entire
Bookshare patronage.
Thanks for all of your tolerance and patience. We won't
revisit this again
after this Friday.
Mayrie
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include
Footnote
References
It seems unnecessary, in my opinion, to put the words
footnote, and end
footnote. If the foootnote is in brackets, the readers will
know when they
end and when they begin.
Sue S.
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From: Mayrie ReNae
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:38 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include
Footnote
References
Hi Rik,
Please, please don't move text from one page to another
unless it is to join
a broken word between two pages to the page on which it
begins. And please
don't move footnote citations from one page to another when
preparing books
for Bookshare. This is an altering of the text that we
don't permit.
Also, your handling of footnotes by labeling them is
absolutely fine and
preferred. You should, however, please, include that text
in brackets like
this:
[Footnote: Hop On Pop by Dr. Seuss
End footnote]
And finally, to give the best results for all readers please
handle
inserting footnote numbers by placing them in brackets []
and surrounding
those by spaces. Though this is not traditional, it has
been stated as the
way that works best for braille readers of Bookshare books
who don't have
access to superscripted numbers, and sighted readers using
the same books.
Thanks for all of your intense attention to detail! You
folks with the
patience to tackle this kind of stuff are marvelous! I have
to want to read
a book so badly that I can taste it before I'll willingly
attempt processing
this stuff.
Rock on everyone! We truly do have a devoted,
conscientious, and just plain
wonderful group of volunteers! We really value all of you!
Mayrie
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Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:14 AM
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Subject: Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References
Hello Kane,
Wow, as many as 20 citation notes on each page? That is
pretty dense, isn't
it.
I sure do not know about setting up K-1000 to do this stuff
automatically.
Maybe. But I don't know. And even if so, it seems that the
likelihood it
might do it wrong is pretty likely, too. Thereby changing
something that
might negatively impact the citation. And if you do happen
to be a Bookshare
member who is reading this type of content and want the
citation, then that
is not good. Not to mention the publisher agreements.
My 2 cents are maybe just for others to hear and see what
they think.
I'm not exactly sure, officially.
I have the following ideas to tell you. I have scanned with
footnotes and
citations on the same page.
Two ways.
In one method, I have moved the citations, to the end of the
chapter or
section in which they are.
But when I do, I try to make good and sure that the citation
number with the
text in the page is clear and that the citation is correct.
Moving text in this way does allow the reader to move
through the content
and not be interrupted with the narrative so much. This is
also something
you can do with photograph captions. Caution. Anytime we do
this type of
thing, however, great care to make sure you do it without
omission or
errors.
In the other method, I leave the citations on the same page,
and just make
sure that the citation numbers are as stated in the manual.
If you have a
number right up beside the period, it is clear that there is
a citation for
it. I have not yet put that number in a bracket. But maybe
I should. So I
did not know about that.
But down below with the citation, I do this, which I do not
think is in the
manual. I put the word "footnote" in that bracket. For
example, [footnote #
1: Alfred's Good Rule of Thumb, 1997. end footnote # 1].
Maybe this is
wrong, and I should never do it again.
But, for me, at least, this seems to clearly indicate as I
am reading that
this is the citation to the above content.
(The insertion of the word "footnote," I mean.) But it is
probably not
altogether necessary. Maybe a bothersome thing to hear for
another reader .
Also...
In either case, for me what I try to do is to make sure that
the page ends
in a complete sentence. Whether that means grabbing the end
of a sentence
from the next page and pasting with the text at the end of
the page, or vice
versa, moving the incomplete sentence to paste with the rest
on the next
page. For me, this is the thing I most like to find in
Bookshare books I
download and read. That I don't have to lose my train of
thought on a
broken up sentence. But of course a lot of times you just
have to be paying
enough attention as you read, and notice you had a broken
sentence and go
find the rest of it.
Sorry I got sort of long.
But I hope that helps and makes some sense.
Really, when tackling these types of books, I think you kind
of need to know
they will take this kind of detailed effort. If you do not
want to fool with
all of it, perhaps choosing books without so darned much
citations is a
better fit. Especially when we are putting them in this
permanent collection
for the members. If I do it for my own personal reading I
often skip all
that stuff, too.
Thanks
Rik James
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Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:14 AM
To: k1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Subject: Re: Efficient Way To Treat/Include Footnote References
Hello Kane,
Wow, as many as 20 citation notes on each page? That is
pretty dense, isn't
it.
I sure do not know about setting up K-1000 to do this stuff
automatically.
Maybe. But I don't know. And even if so, it seems that the
likelihood it
might do it wrong is pretty likely, too. Thereby changing
something that
might negatively impact the citation. And if you do happen
to be a Bookshare
member who is reading this type of content and want the
citation, then that
is not good. Not to mention the publisher agreements.
My 2 cents are maybe just for others to hear and see what
they think.
I'm not exactly sure, officially.
I have the following ideas to tell you. I have scanned with
footnotes and
citations on the same page.
Two ways.
In one method, I have moved the citations, to the end of the
chapter or
section in which they are.
But when I do, I try to make good and sure that the citation
number with the
text in the page is clear and that the citation is correct.
Moving text in this way does allow the reader to move
through the content
and not be interrupted with the narrative so much. This is
also something
you can do with photograph captions. Caution. Anytime we do
this type of
thing, however, great care to make sure you do it without
omission or
errors.
In the other method, I leave the citations on the same page,
and just make
sure that the citation numbers are as stated in the manual.
If you have a
number right up beside the period, it is clear that there is
a citation for
it. I have not yet put that number in a bracket. But maybe
I should. So I
did not know about that.
But down below with the citation, I do this, which I do not
think is in the
manual. I put the word "footnote" in that bracket. For
example, [footnote #
1: Alfred's Good Rule of Thumb, 1997. end footnote # 1].
Maybe this is
wrong, and I should never do it again.
But, for me, at least, this seems to clearly indicate as I
am reading that
this is the citation to the above content.
(The insertion of the word "footnote," I mean.) But it is
probably not
altogether necessary. Maybe a bothersome thing to hear for
another reader .
Also...
In either case, for me what I try to do is to make sure that
the page ends
in a complete sentence. Whether that means grabbing the end
of a sentence
from the next page and pasting with the text at the end of
the page, or vice
versa, moving the incomplete sentence to paste with the rest
on the next
page. For me, this is the thing I most like to find in
Bookshare books I
download and read. That I don't have to lose my train of
thought on a
broken up sentence. But of course a lot of times you just
have to be paying
enough attention as you read, and notice you had a broken
sentence and go
find the rest of it.
Sorry I got sort of long.
But I hope that helps and makes some sense.
Really, when tackling these types of books, I think you kind
of need to know
they will take this kind of detailed effort. If you do not
want to fool with
all of it, perhaps choosing books without so darned much
citations is a
better fit. Especially when we are putting them in this
permanent collection
for the members. If I do it for my own personal reading I
often skip all
that stuff, too.
Thanks
Rik James
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