[bksvol-discuss] Re: Tolkien

I'm glad you're so conscientious. I check any troublesome text with my Optacon. If I didn't have that, I doubt I would submit anything to Bookshare, nor validate either. My DP condition would never let me. <smile>


Evan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Hill" <kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:35 PM
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HI Evan,

This was a hard back from the library. I have read up to about page 125 and most of it is interesting. Since I have it scanned I can go ahead and submit
it as is. I have all the images so I can help do corrections.

Actually I am currently having Cindy check a few pages in Let the good times roll by sending her the image files and a doc file with the recognized page in it. It dawned on me a week or two ago this could be an easier way to get
pages checked. IT is also the reason I have always saved images to be able
to go back and re-recognize a page.


The joy of life is living in the question
Katie Hill
Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Evan Reese
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:22 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Tolkien

It is the same volume, although I do not know whether it is the same
edition, because I was planning to borrow the book from someone and I don't
know what their ISBN is.  Is your version a hardback or paperback?

What do you think of it?

Evan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Hill" <kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 7:49 PM
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Hi Evan,

I have this book scanned, I think. I haven't uploaded it because I haven't
finished proof reading. Is this the same one you are planning on
scanning???
From the copyright page.

Copyright © 1988 by Frank Richard Williamson and Christopher Reuel Tolkien
as Executors of the Estate of J.R.R. Tolkien
All rights reserved

For information about permission to reproduce selections from
this book, write to Permissions, Houghton Mifflin Company,
2 Park Street, Boston, Massachusetts 02108.

Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data

Tolkien, J. R. R. (John Ronald Reuel), 1892-1973.
The return of the shadow : the history of The lord of the rings /
J.R.R. Tolkien ; [edited by] Christopher Tolkien.
p.        cm. - (The History of Middle-earth ; 6)
Includes index.
ISBN 0-395-49863-5
1. Tolkien, J.R.R. (John Ronald Reuel), 1892-1973.    Lord of the
rings-Criticism, Textual.    2. Fantastic fiction, English-History and
criticism.    3. Middle Earth (Imaginary place)    I. Tolkien,
Christopher.
II. Title.    III. Series: Tolkien, J. R. R. (John Ronald Reuel),
1892-1973
History of Middle-earth ; 6.
PR6039.O32L6374   1988   88-22986
823'.912-dcl9   CIP

Printed in the United States of America

FFG 11 10 9 8 7

is a trademark of Frank Richard Williamson and Christopher Reuel Tolkien,
executors of the Estate of the late John Ronald Reuel Tolkien.


The joy of life is living in the question
Katie Hill
Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Evan Reese
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 4:21 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Tolkien

I expect to start scanning Volume Six of The History of Middle-earth -
which

begins the history of the Lord of the Rings - as soon as it shows up in my
mailbox, hopefully some time next week.  I had intended to take the
History
volumes in order, meaning that I would next scan volume four, but volumes
four and five look like being very troublesome jobs, mainly because of
there

being quite a lot of Old and Middle English in Volume Four according to
what

I have read, which does not scan properly, and an Elvish English
dictionary
in Volume Five, which will be a tremendous amount of work to get into
shape.

I will get around to them one day, but I am eager to start reading about
Tolkien's writing of The Lord of the Rings, which I expect more people
will
be interested in anyway, so I have elected to not scan volumes four and
five

for now at least.  Perhaps someone else might be willing to take them on,
and I would like to read them, but I am impatient to get to Volume Six
myself.

Evan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 7:47 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Tolkien


Dear Kelby, Katie, and Tolkien Fans,

Kelby, several of us are Tolkien fans. We've been adding to Bookshare's
Tolkien collection and submitting BSOs of books were already in the
collection which needed to be improved.

My contribution has been validating and if there isn't a scanner's hall
of

fame, we need one so the Volunteers who have been scanning Tolkien can be
charter inductees.

Whew, where to start.
Books we've completed and that you can count on for accuracy and
completeness include;

The Book of Lost Tales, Volume One rescanned by Evan Reese.

The Book of Lost Tales Volume Two, rescanned by Pratik Patel

The Tolkien Biography scanned by Carrie Carnos and validated by Evan
Reese

The Children of Huron, the newest book prepared by Christopher Tolkien
was

scanned in house and Carrie Carnos not only validated it, but undertook
the tedious task of inserting all of the accents which aren't recognized
by most scanning equipment.

The Silmarrilion, the latest edition, scanned by Katie Hill and scheduled
to be uploaded by next week when I unravel the 5 pages of genealogies.

The History of Middle-earth Volume three, all poetry, has been scanned by
Evan and is next in line for me to format and validate.

We have 2 other Tolkien biographies prepared by other volunteers.

I have validated several books of analysis,, criticism and discussion of
The Lord of the Rings which are in the collection.

While taking breaks from the concentration I need to validate the
Silmarillion, I'm Currently validating J. R. R. Tolkien's Sanctifying
Myth

Understanding Middle-earth by Bradley J. Birzer scanned by Jim Baugh 202
pages with a 12 page index, and more notes than I've ever seen, over 200
in a single chapter.

I'm also validating Understanding Middle-earth Essays on Tolkien's
Middle-Earth by Michael Martinez, 512 pages scanned by Carrie.

Something I'd love to see, but haven't had time to do is set up a Tolkien
category on Jakes list because not all of the books about Tolkien's work
can be found by searching his name.

As I've progressed through validating these books, I've worked hard to
improve my technique for inserting accents. Tolkien uses the acute,
circumflex and umlaut most, but when the files are processed, all accents
in the braille files appear with a dot 4 in front of the accented letter
so you can't tell which accent is really there.

I've settled on a system where I list all accented words at the beginning
of the book with a key matching the accents to numbers. After each word,
the numbers appear in the order of the accents. For example

1 = acute
2 = umlaut
3 = circumflex

so the following Elvish word would be listed this way.

Aldudénië 1, 2

amrûn 3

Anadûnê 3, 3

Most of these words appear from 1 to over 100 times each in the text. To
find out exactly what the accents are, readers can look them up in the
list. This system isn't perfect, and I could use a proofreader, though I
try and triple check my entries. You can see an example of my attempt to
clarify the accents in The Book of Lost Tales volume Two. I'll be
interested in suggestions.

And, if you're interested, I'll e-mail you the list of over 200 accented
words for The Silmarillion. Thank you for your patience, Katie. I hope
you'll be proud of the finished product when I upload. You picked a
beautiful edition of the book to scan and your scan has been a joy to
work

with.

Amy, I'll write you off list about your offer to help. I've got a pile of
book for your consideration.

Also, I've read the Hobbit and LOTR in braille from NLS so don't know
what

shape they are in in Bookshare. Has anyone read our copies?

I'm out of time, now, but I hope you'll contact me off list with your
comments and suggestions at,

airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Hill" <kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:32 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: we Volunteer; Questions and Requests


HI Kelby,

I know the Silmarillion is in the validation queue because I rescanned
it.
The others may be there also. When Lissi sees this post she will let you know what is going on. Lissi and a couple others are working on a longer
term project to get more of Tolkien's  works in the collection.

The joy of life is living in the question
Katie Hill
Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of kelby carlson
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:51 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] ew Volunteer; Questions and Requests

Dear Fellow Volunteers,

My name is Kelby, and I've recently becoce a Bookshare volunteer.
I don't know if this was necessary a wise decision on my part, as
I don't have a scanner and scanning software, and can't afford
them at this time.  I can, however, attempt to proofread and
validate books if that is needed.  In fact, I have just attempted
to do so, but ran into a problem when trying to upload the
approved book.  It said that my RTF file was not a valid RTF
file, which I can assure you is not the case.  What might I do
about this?

Secondly, I would like to request that a few books desperately
need to be re-scanned.  The most important of these works are the
collected stories of JddRR.  Tolkie.  This includes the Lord of
the Rings, Silmarillion, and Unfinished Tales.  Books I would
also love to see added to the collection are the rest of the
voluces in the History of Middle Earth series.  I have other
ideas, but I believe Tolkien's work needs to be scanned again,
hopefully making far more readable copies.  Hope to hear from you
all soon.

Kelby

Doomed Dragon

"It is not what we see that determines who we are.  It is how we
choose to see it."



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