That's kind of what I thought, but wasn't really for sure. Melissa Mayrie ReNae wrote:
Hi Melissa, Justification settings are not kept in the daisy books unless they are part of a table created using Word's table creation tool. Mayrie-----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa Smith Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 7:44 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents Does bookshare's tools do away with all justification setting? If they do not, we could right justify the page numbers. This wouldn't insert any extra character, so to speak, for speech to worry about, and would put the numbers where sighted readers expect them to be. Melissa Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx wrote:As a user of a screen reader it sounds fine, but if the titles and the page numbers are not in exact columns I don't think it will fulfill the purpose of a table for sighted readers, that is, providing information in a single glance without the necessity of reading it and thinking about it."I have no country to fight for; my country is the earth, and I am a citizen of the world." Eugene V. Debs The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com <http://wwww.themilitant.com>Pathfinder Press:http://www.pathfinderpress.com Granma International: http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html <http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html> _ table with 2 columns and 6 rowsSubj: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents Date: 11/5/2009 1:04:54 AM Eastern Standard Time From: the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxx Reply-to: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSent from the Internet (Details) table end Hi everyone!Here is a table of contents with the dot leaders as I found it. I didn't insert anything.How does it look for you sighted readers? How does it come out on a braille display? How does it sound to those who use screen readers?Window-Eyes, at least the way I have it set totally ignores these dot leaders. If I add periods like this on a line:...... Window-Eyes also ignores them. Here's the table of contents. Contents Foreword .................................. 9 1 Intercession A Way of Life ............................ 13 2 Compassion in Action The Functions of Intercession ............... 26 3 Intensity in Vision The Priorities of Intercession ................ 44 4 Ordered Warfare Establishing Battle Strategies for Intercession .............................. 60 5 Authoritative Intercession Keys to "Fasting" Down Strongholds ........ 76 6 Praying for the Lost (A Week of Intercession) Monday: Six Interrogatives of Intercession .... 89 8 7 Praying for Authorities Tuesday: Invading Areas of Influence ........ 96 8 Praying for Nations Wednesday: Confronting Enemy Strongholds ............................. 105 9 Praying for LaborersThursday: Co-Workers in the Conflict ....... 114 10 Praying for the ChurchFriday: Contending for Spiritual Awakening ............................. 12 11 Praying for the Sick and AfflictedSaturday: Biblical Factors for Physical Restoration ............................. 13112 Praying for the Family Sunday: Prayer Patterns for Healthy Homes ................................. 143 13 Soul Conflict Taking Authority Against Spiritual Darkness ............................... 156 14 Prayer TravelersMobilizing a Movement of World Prayer Missionaries ............................ 175Debby At 04:26 PM 11/4/2009, Mayrie ReNae wroteHi Judy and Valerie, Inserting an elipsis between items in a table of contentsand theirrespective page numbers will work. Any more dots than that would be a potential nightmare for those reading with speech. Because in the dot leader format the screen readers might well read "dot dot dot dotdot" etcdepending upon the amount of punctuation each user has spoken. So, if an elipsis would work for sighted readers better than just a space, I'mhappyto begin inserting an elipsis instead.Thanks, Valerie, for telling us how we can make things at least a little more usable for some folks.Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy s. Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:42 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of ContentsI agree with Valerie. It is a torture to figure out tables of contents visually with just the single space. I'm perfectly happy with anellipsisinstead of the space, as an idea. I can't see any way that trying to figuour out how many periods to put in to make the right margin on each line, as is done with a printed book, will make sense or be anythingbut anightmare to do if you're blind. Having an ellipsis in makes itperfectlyreadable for me visually. Golly, I hope I'm making sense. I had some major dental surgery todayand wehad to use enough anesthesia to bring an elephant down. So I'm a bitloopy!grin. Judy s. Valerie Maples wrote:Ideally you should have enough periods so the right margin is even for visual scanning of page numbers as a list, but an ellipsis would be better than a single space. that is outright torture to findanything.Valerie On 11 04, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Mayrie ReNae wrote:Hi Debby,I'd like more commentary from our sighted print disabled readers to know whether this will be helpful before I change my practises. I'm happy to change, as you are, but not willing to make a permanent change until or unless it is commented upon by morethan one person.Vallerie, Doug, Judy, anyone else who is print disabled, but sighted want to comment on this?Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Debby FransonSent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:58 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents Hi Mayrie! Should I insert elipses in the table of contents in "Rebel With aCause"?It wouldn't be a bother. Debby At 07:50 AM 11/3/2009, Mayrie ReNae wroteHi Melissa,That's a great idea! Let's see if it would work for folks like Valerie's Nichole, since Valerie was the one requesting a change. If it would work, I don't see how it would go against anything bookshare hasever said.Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa SmithSent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:07 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Table Of Contents I've been thinking about Valerye's concerns about the table ofcontents.I got to thinking about how Braille books have a series of dots between the chapter title and page number. So, I was wondering if inserting an ellipses between the chapter title and page number would be an appropriatesolution.An ellipses will be recognized and kept by bookshare's tools, and will give some separation between chapter title and page number for those that need that. It wouldn't be spoken by most screen readers, so wouldn't interfere with anybody's listeningpleasure.Finally, since Braille readers are used to the series of dots between chapter title and page number, it wouldn't seem unusualto themeither.To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in theSo, do you think this would be acceptable and not violate any bookshare rules?MelissaTo unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subjectline.To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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