[bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents
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As a user of a screen reader it sounds fine, but if the titles and the page
numbers are not in exact columns I don't think it will fulfill the purpose
of a table for sighted readers, that is, providing information in a single
glance without the necessity of reading it and thinking about it.
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the earth, and I am a citizen of the world." Eugene V. Debs
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table with 2 columns and 6 rows
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[bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents
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Hi everyone!
Here is a table of contents with the dot leaders as I found it. I didn't
insert anything.
How does it look for you sighted readers?
How does it come out on a braille display?
How does it sound to those who use screen readers?
Window-Eyes, at least the way I have it set totally ignores these dot
leaders. If I add periods like this on a line:
......
Window-Eyes also ignores them.
Here's the table of contents.
Contents
Foreword .................................. 9
1 Intercession
A Way of Life ............................ 13
2 Compassion in Action
The Functions of Intercession ............... 26
3 Intensity in Vision
The Priorities of Intercession ................ 44
4 Ordered Warfare
Establishing Battle Strategies for
Intercession .............................. 60
5 Authoritative Intercession
Keys to "Fasting" Down Strongholds ........ 76
6 Praying for the Lost
(A Week of Intercession)
Monday: Six Interrogatives of Intercession .... 89
8
7 Praying for Authorities
Tuesday: Invading Areas of Influence ........ 96
8 Praying for Nations
Wednesday: Confronting Enemy
Strongholds ............................. 105
9 Praying for Laborers
Thursday: Co-Workers in the Conflict ....... 114
10 Praying for the Church
Friday: Contending for Spiritual
Awakening ............................. 12
11 Praying for the Sick and Afflicted
Saturday: Biblical Factors for Physical
Restoration ............................. 131
12 Praying for the Family
Sunday: Prayer Patterns for Healthy
Homes ................................. 143
13 Soul Conflict
Taking Authority Against Spiritual
Darkness ............................... 156
14 Prayer Travelers
Mobilizing a Movement of World Prayer Missionaries
............................ 175
Debby
At 04:26 PM 11/4/2009, Mayrie ReNae wrote
>Hi Judy and Valerie,
>
> Inserting an elipsis between items in a table of contents and
their
>respective page numbers will work. Any more dots than that would be a
>potential nightmare for those reading with speech. Because in the dot
>leader format the screen readers might well read "dot dot dot dot dot"
etc
>depending upon the amount of punctuation each user has spoken. So, if an
>elipsis would work for sighted readers better than just a space, I'm happy
>to begin inserting an elipsis instead.
>
>Thanks, Valerie, for telling us how we can make things at least a little
>more usable for some folks.
>
>Mayrie
>
>
>
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>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents
>
>I agree with Valerie. It is a torture to figure out tables of contents
>visually with just the single space. I'm perfectly happy with an ellipsis
>instead of the space, as an idea. I can't see any way that trying to
>figuour out how many periods to put in to make the right margin on each
>line, as is done with a printed book, will make sense or be anything but a
>nightmare to do if you're blind. Having an ellipsis in makes it perfectly
>readable for me visually.
>
>Golly, I hope I'm making sense. I had some major dental surgery today and
we
>had to use enough anesthesia to bring an elephant down. So I'm a bit
loopy!
>grin.
>
>Judy s.
>
>Valerie Maples wrote:
> > Ideally you should have enough periods so the right margin is even for
> > visual scanning of page numbers as a list, but an ellipsis would be
> > better than a single space. that is outright torture to find anything.
> >
> > Valerie
> >
> >
> > On 11 04, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Mayrie ReNae wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Debby,
> >>
> >> I'd like more commentary from our sighted print disabled readers to
> >> know whether this will be helpful before I change my practises. I'm
> >> happy to change, as you are, but not willing to make a permanent
> >> change until or unless it is commented upon by more than one person.
> >>
> >> Vallerie, Doug, Judy, anyone else who is print disabled, but sighted
> >> want to comment on this?
> >>
> >> Mayrie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Debby
> >> Franson
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:58 AM
> >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents
> >>
> >> Hi Mayrie!
> >>
> >> Should I insert elipses in the table of contents in "Rebel With a
Cause"?
> >> It wouldn't be a bother.
> >>
> >> Debby
> >>
> >> At 07:50 AM 11/3/2009, Mayrie ReNae wrote
> >>> Hi Melissa,
> >>>
> >>> That's a great idea! Let's see if it would work for folks like
> >>> Valerie's Nichole, since Valerie was the one requesting a change.
> >>> If it would work, I don't see how it would go against anything
> >>> bookshare has
> >> ever said.
> >>>
> >>> Mayrie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa
> >>> Smith
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:07 AM
> >>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Table Of Contents
> >>>
> >>> I've been thinking about Valerye's concerns about the table of
contents.
> >>> I got to thinking about how Braille books have a series of dots
> >>> between the chapter title and page number. So, I was wondering if
> >>> inserting an ellipses between the chapter title and page number
> >>> would be an appropriate
> >> solution.
> >>> An ellipses will be recognized and kept by bookshare's tools, and
> >>> will give some separation between chapter title and page number for
> >>> those that need that. It wouldn't be spoken by most screen readers,
> >>> so wouldn't interfere with anybody's listening pleasure.
> >>> Finally, since Braille readers are used to the series of dots
> >>> between chapter title and page number, it wouldn't seem unusual to
them
>either.
> >>> So, do you think this would be acceptable and not violate any
> >>> bookshare rules?
> >>>
> >>> Melissa
> >>>
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