[bksvol-discuss] Re: Sturgeon is done!
- From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 00:55:45 -0400
Dear Bob and Booksharian Friends,
Page numbers at the tops of pages aren't stripped as long as you remember to
place a blank line above and below them.
The formula which has been proven to work by several of us over a number of
years is
page break
blank line
page number
blank line
chapter number or story title or both
blank line
text
It is not a problem if the page number appears at the bottom of the page
with the chapter name as well.
Once you get used to using this formula, you'll do it automatically and
won't even notice the small amount of extra time it takes. You'll also enjoy
knowing your page numbers and chapter titles and stories will appear in your
book in tact.
Always with love
Lissi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:15 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sturgeon is done!
I think, if the page numbers are at the top the book will be ok, but the
page numbers will be stripped.
If the page numbers are at the bottom, then some text, like a page number
at the top will protect the chapter heading or story title.
I hope this makes sense.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:06 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sturgeon is done!
Ok, since this worked, my conclusion is that no matter where the page
number is located bottom or top, put in a page number. Would you agree?
Usually I put a page number when the numbers are on top, the gray area
came in when page numbers were at the bottom. But since there were no
adverse affects with your experiment, that's what I'll do from now on.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "bookshare volunteer discussion" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:50 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Sturgeon is done!
I am gloatingly, graciatingly grateful to report that the three Theodore
Sturgeon books are finally in the collection with story titles still in
tact. I'd like to summarize the process I went through to solve this
particular problem. And many of you can rightfully say, "I told you so."
I want to describe the problem and it's resolution while it is fresh in
my fading memory in hopes it may assist others when confronted with a
similar difficulty. Consider this a "lessons learned" message.
The problem. When looking at the three collections of stories by Mr.
Sturgeon that had recently been put into the collection, I noticed that
the story titles were all missing. Carrie was kind enough to send me the
three books that were uploaded to the collection. These three books had
story titles in tact. Therefore, the dreaded (expletives deleted)
stripper was the culprit.
Solution1. I thought "well, the poor stripper needs something to strip
besides story titles". So I globally changed all the page marks to
paragraph mark, page break and paragraph mark combinations in the book.
Unfortunately, when I sent the books back to be re-uploaded, they
appeared with the story titles missing. Therefore, the stripper ignores
mere paragraph marks at the top of a page and strips the next line
instead. I am still unclear why the stripper doesn't strip non story
titles top lines, but it doesn't.
Solution2. I went through the books and at the top of each page with a
story title on it, I manually typed in the page number. This particular
book had page numbers at the bottom of the page, and, for consistency
sake, I probably should have moved all the page numbers to the top of
the page. But, I am adverse to tedious work, so moved only the page
numbers on the pages with story titles. When these books were uploaded
to the collection, the story titles were in tact. Problem solved.
Lessons learned. I have developed a healthy respect for the filthy
stripper. It is an awesome, but flawed tool. It attempts to strip
repetitive text from the tops of pages, and, usually, does a pretty good
job. It's the exceptions that cause the problem. Henceforth, when
confronted with a book that has story titles or chapter headings at the
top of the page, I will put the page number on a separate line at the
top of those pages. this will be one of the automatic checks that I make
when validating a book. In the documentation, this is called "protecting
chapter headings". I never really knew what that phrase meant. Now I do.
Finally, and more importantly, I have learned that bookshare is not
going to support us when we run into difficulties with this sort of
problem. As volunteers, we are pretty much on our own. Despite calls for
clarification on this problem by many of us here on this list, Carrey
was the only staff member who responded to this problem, and she was as
ignorant as I was about the cause. Butt, deep down, bookshare just flat
doesn't care. Either they don't read this list, which is a shame, or
they don't care, which is a worse shame.
I realize that we would most likely get more respect if we had a thirty
million dollar grant to offer, but all we have is time to work on books,
and a love of reading, and our pride in a job well done.
In one of my earlier posts I stated that I was not going to validate any
more books until a staff member responded with some help on this
problem. Sadly, I have come to the conclusion that this isn't going to
happen, but this particular problem is solved, so it's back to
validating for me.
My only question is, how many books are now in the collection with
chapter headings stripped because the scannor and validator didn't know
how to solve this problem? Hopefully none, probably some, but possibly
many.
Bob
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committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is
the only thing that ever has."--Margaret Mead
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