[bksvol-discuss] Re: Returning Member Intro and Question

  • From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:46:56 -0600

Yes, I have, Jill.  I'm not Evan though.  (smile)

Sue S.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jill O'Connell
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 1:33 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Returning Member Intro and Question


Evan, When I delete the spaces between periods, my braille display shows 
this as dots 4-6. I may be wrong about this but I don't think I have ever 
seen the dot 3 used as an elipsis in a bookshare brf copy. Have you? Jill
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: EVAN REESE
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:15 PM
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Returning Member Intro and Question


  Certainly, the Bookshare braille translator does not delete the spaces 
between periods. I've seen countless examples of this. Nor does the braille 
translator in my Pac Mate delete the spaces. In these cases, ellipses only 
appear the way they should in braille if the periods have no spaces between 
them. Apparently, in the cases I'm familiar with, the people who write 
braille translation software expect the periods to be without spaces between 
them.

  Also, the OCR engines in K1000 and OpenBook are ambiguous about the 
matter. I've seen periods with and without spaces in the same book, and 
sometimes two periods with no spaces, followed by a space and then another 
period, or every other combination of periods and spaces.

  Given all this, I remove the spaces when I encounter them.

  Evan

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Mickey
    To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:07 PM
    Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Returning Member Intro and Question


    Usually, in print, the elipsis (three dots) are spaced. I leave it that 
way, because it's the way it should be, and because any braille translation 
program with delete the spaces.

    Mickey

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx
      To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:58 PM
      Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Returning Member Intro and Question


      The spaces are not there in print.

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      Hi List,
         I was on this list years ago, and thought I'd rejoin for a while to
      see what the volunteer community is talking about. (I'm also currently
      unemployed, so I guess you could say I've got the time). Anyway, I'm
      Eliza from New York City.
         I've also got a question, and though this is a pretty trivial
      detail, I've wondered about it forever.  When you see an elipsis in
      text, like when a speaker is cut off by another character, often I see
      the three periods and the close quotation mark all separated by spaces
      (so it would be . . . ").  I sometimes take the interveneing spaces
      out so that the last word, the elipsis and the close quote are all
      connected, because I think this is always how it appears in braille.
      Is this correct?  In print, are the spaces always present, or is this
      something OpenBook is doing?
         Thanks,
         Eliza
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