Yes, I have, Jill. I'm not Evan though. (smile) Sue S. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill O'Connell To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 1:33 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Returning Member Intro and Question Evan, When I delete the spaces between periods, my braille display shows this as dots 4-6. I may be wrong about this but I don't think I have ever seen the dot 3 used as an elipsis in a bookshare brf copy. Have you? Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: EVAN REESE To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:15 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Returning Member Intro and Question Certainly, the Bookshare braille translator does not delete the spaces between periods. I've seen countless examples of this. Nor does the braille translator in my Pac Mate delete the spaces. In these cases, ellipses only appear the way they should in braille if the periods have no spaces between them. Apparently, in the cases I'm familiar with, the people who write braille translation software expect the periods to be without spaces between them. Also, the OCR engines in K1000 and OpenBook are ambiguous about the matter. I've seen periods with and without spaces in the same book, and sometimes two periods with no spaces, followed by a space and then another period, or every other combination of periods and spaces. Given all this, I remove the spaces when I encounter them. Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: Mickey To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:07 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Returning Member Intro and Question Usually, in print, the elipsis (three dots) are spaced. I leave it that way, because it's the way it should be, and because any braille translation program with delete the spaces. Mickey ----- Original Message ----- From: Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:58 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Returning Member Intro and Question The spaces are not there in print. table with 2 columns and 6 rows Subj: [bksvol-discuss] Returning Member Intro and Question Date: 1/7/2009 12:43:03 PM Eastern Standard Time From: eliza.l.cooper@xxxxxxxxx Reply-to: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent from the Internet (Details) table end Hi List, I was on this list years ago, and thought I'd rejoin for a while to see what the volunteer community is talking about. (I'm also currently unemployed, so I guess you could say I've got the time). Anyway, I'm Eliza from New York City. I've also got a question, and though this is a pretty trivial detail, I've wondered about it forever. When you see an elipsis in text, like when a speaker is cut off by another character, often I see the three periods and the close quotation mark all separated by spaces (so it would be . . . "). I sometimes take the interveneing spaces out so that the last word, the elipsis and the close quote are all connected, because I think this is always how it appears in braille. Is this correct? In print, are the spaces always present, or is this something OpenBook is doing? Thanks, Eliza To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. ************** New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.200 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1881 - Release Date: 1/7/2009 5:59 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1882 - Release Date: 1/8/2009 8:13 AM