But in the end, a KES submission STILL has to be converted to RTF format so it can go through the final processing, right? So what is the difference if the person who scans a book starts out with a KES file and converts to RTF to submit, or if the person who validates a KES file converts it to RTF for final approval? Somewhere, that KES file still has to be converted. Wouldn't you rather have whatever glitches are created by the conversion be fixed in the validation process, rather than have the glitches STAY in the file because it was converted at the time of the step 2 uploading? Jamie in Michigan Currently Reading - A Fistful of Rain - Greg Ruckar Groceries delivered to your home from Vons. Click here.