[bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs other types of disabled bookshare readers
- From: james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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- Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:33:23 -0500
Hi,
It is less annoying to use a sound scheme that speaks in different voices
for font face changes, but sizes would need to be spoken.
Jim
James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
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Hi, Donna,
OH, I wouldn't disagree with you. After I tried it with Outlook, I quickly
turned off the setting, because otherwise JAWS and I were going to have a
problem.
There are ways to improve this, though. I'd just have to do some research.
For instance, I believe we could make JAWS beep every time the font or
color
changed, which might be a better audible indicator. That way, it wouldn't
disrupt the flow of what you were reading, but you'd still know that
something changed.
Just thinking aloud.
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:18 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs other
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Hi guys,
I have to chime in here. I used those settings while I was editing my
dissertation, and I have to tell you that it is *REEEEEEEEEEEEALLY annoying
to read that way. Especially if there are a lot of font, color or other
attribute changes, it can get so distracting that you can hardly pay
attention to the text. Not saying it's not an option, just that it's
definitely got serious limitations.
Donna
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> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lora
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> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs
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> Yes, I believe it works with versions of JAWS from 6.0 and beyond.
>
> And you'd make sure you were in Word, then press Insert-F2. You
> should get a list of options. Either arrow down through the list, or
> hit C until JAWS says Configuration Manager. Either way, press enter
> once you get there.
>
> The Settings menu can be accessed from within the Configuration
> Manager by Pressing Alt-S.
>
> Once that menu comes up, arrow down to Speech and Sounds manager and
> press enter.
>
> From there, choose the sound scheme you want. When you're on a sound
> scheme, you can press Tab to hear a description of that sound scheme.
> (I
> know that works in JAWS 8 and 9, and assume it would work in 7.1 as
> well.)
>
> I hope this helps.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Allison
> Hilliker
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 3:43 PM
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> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs
> other types of disabled bookshare readers
>
> Hi Lora,
>
> This is a very interesting JAWS option. Do you know if it works with
> v 7.1?
>
> Also, how does one get into the configurations menu?
>
> Best,
> Allison
>
>
>
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> From: "Lora" <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs
> other types of disabled bookshare readers
>
>
> > Actually, JAWS can be set to announce font and color changes.
> > Before I open my mouth and insert my foot, I'm trying a little
> > experiment here. Sighted readers should see three different colors,
> > and three different fonts, in this message.
> >
> > In order to do this, go into the Configuration Manager for Word or
> > Outlook, and choose the Speech and Sounds Manager from the Settings
> > menu. In there, you'll see lots of different sound schemes for
> > working with things like VB.Net, or the Web. I chose Proofreading
> > Attributes, Font Info and Color.
> >
> > Now as I read, JAWS announces the color changes as they occur, and
> > reads different fonts in different voices.
> >
> > Sorry to sighted readers if this message looks chaotic . You can
> > make these same configuration changes in Word or Word Perfect, etc.
> >
> > The trouble is, in order for this to be effective, you'd have to be
> > reading the whole book. If you were, though, font and color changes
> > would be announced.
> >
> > What I was hoping was that JAWS had a Quick Keys setting for font
> > change, but I don't see one. Then you could just move to the next
> > font change, and that'd be easy.
> >
> > You can also use Word's find features to find a specific font, or
> find
> > a specific color of text, but for that to be useful, you'd have to
> > know what you were looking for.
> >
> > None of this probably helps much, but I thought I'd throw in my two
> cents.
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carrie
> > Karnos
> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:00 PM
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs
> > other types of disabled bookshare readers
> >
> >
> > Hi Evan,
> >
> > One option is for blind validators to set the font of the entire
> > book to
> > 11
> > (or thereabouts). I don't particularly like this option because it's
> > harder for sighted people to see chapter and section titles when
> > they are the same size as the regular text, but it is an option.
> >
> > Just an FYI, Carrie
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: EVAN REESE <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 1:47:46 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs
> > other types of disabled bookshare readers
> >
> > I think you're right on this. Being unable to see the screen, I have
> > no idea
> >
> > how I can be aware of - let alone correct - font problems without
> > checking the font of every word in the book manually. I have checked
> > the fonts of headings when scanning or validating books, but for the
> > rest, I just have to
> >
> > assume the fonts are okay. A person with enough vision to see the
> > screen can
> >
> > look at a whole page and see that something is out of whack. I don't
> > see how
> >
> > somewhat with insufficient vision could do anything similar. If I am
> > mistaken, please let me know. I could, of course, check each page in
> > Word or
> >
> > K1000 and see what kinds of fonts are on it, and what the sizes are.
> > But as far as I know, those programs don't tell you which font is
> > where on the page. So someone who cannot see the screen would need
> > some way of hearing - on the fly - when the font changes and the new
> > characteristics. Is that possible? Unless that can be done, or there
> > is another way for someone with little or no vision to be aware of
> > font problems without a great deal of time consuming manual
> > checking, it seems unrealistic to expect that books on
> >
> > Bookshare will have no font problems, as long as people with little
> or
> > no vision are submitting or validating them.
> >
> > Evan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:55 AM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs
> > other types of disabled bookshare readers
> >
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> I will add to this that as a blind validator, it would probably be
> >> difficult to correct all font problems. If I am incorrect about
> this,
> >> I am certainily open to validation help.
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
> >> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810
> >>
> >> "it is only possible to live happily ever after on a day-to-day
> >> basis." -- Margaret Bonnano
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> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Judy
> >>
> >> Before telling you my thoughts about your question let me introduce
> >> myself I'm Anastasia; I am legally blind and use a screen enlarger.
> >> So I
> can see
> >> the print but it is straining so I prefer to listen.
> >>
> >> Here are my thoughts: I scan in one file type that keeps the
> >> format,
> kes,
> >> and submit it in one that deletes the format. This type, rtf is
> >> more universal. RTF automatically deletes the formats. It is more
> >> fluid listening to it without the format. However, I can understand
> >> as
> someone
> >> who reads print why keeping the format in tact for the recent
> members
> >> would be beneficial, the only format that keeps the print in tact
> >> is
> KES
> >> and that is not a universal file. I hope I have answered your
> question
> >> If
> >> you have further questions or would like to further discuss this
> topic
> >> please email me off list.
> >>
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