[bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs other types of disabled bookshare readers
- From: "Donna Goodin" <goodind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:36:32 -0500
I'll be curious to know what you come up with. Imagine proofing a 220 page
document that way. I would have killed that JAWS cursor voice if I could
have! *grin*
Donna
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lora
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:24 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs
> other types of disabled bookshare readers
>
> Hi, Donna,
>
> OH, I wouldn't disagree with you. After I tried it with Outlook, I
> quickly
> turned off the setting, because otherwise JAWS and I were going to have
> a
> problem.
>
> There are ways to improve this, though. I'd just have to do some
> research.
> For instance, I believe we could make JAWS beep every time the font or
> color
> changed, which might be a better audible indicator. That way, it
> wouldn't
> disrupt the flow of what you were reading, but you'd still know that
> something changed.
>
> Just thinking aloud.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:18 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs
> other
> types of disabled bookshare readers
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I have to chime in here. I used those settings while I was editing my
> dissertation, and I have to tell you that it is *REEEEEEEEEEEEALLY
> annoying
> to read that way. Especially if there are a lot of font, color or
> other
> attribute changes, it can get so distracting that you can hardly pay
> attention to the text. Not saying it's not an option, just that it's
> definitely got serious limitations.
> Donna
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lora
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:06 PM
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs
> > other types of disabled bookshare readers
> >
> > Yes, I believe it works with versions of JAWS from 6.0 and beyond.
> >
> > And you'd make sure you were in Word, then press Insert-F2. You
> > should get a list of options. Either arrow down through the list, or
> > hit C until JAWS says Configuration Manager. Either way, press enter
> > once you get there.
> >
> > The Settings menu can be accessed from within the Configuration
> > Manager by Pressing Alt-S.
> >
> > Once that menu comes up, arrow down to Speech and Sounds manager and
> > press enter.
> >
> > From there, choose the sound scheme you want. When you're on a sound
> > scheme, you can press Tab to hear a description of that sound scheme.
> > (I
> > know that works in JAWS 8 and 9, and assume it would work in 7.1 as
> > well.)
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Allison
> > Hilliker
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 3:43 PM
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs
> > other types of disabled bookshare readers
> >
> > Hi Lora,
> >
> > This is a very interesting JAWS option. Do you know if it works with
> > v 7.1?
> >
> > Also, how does one get into the configurations menu?
> >
> > Best,
> > Allison
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lora" <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:48 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs
> > other types of disabled bookshare readers
> >
> >
> > > Actually, JAWS can be set to announce font and color changes.
> > > Before I open my mouth and insert my foot, I'm trying a little
> > > experiment here. Sighted readers should see three different
> colors,
> > > and three different fonts, in this message.
> > >
> > > In order to do this, go into the Configuration Manager for Word or
> > > Outlook, and choose the Speech and Sounds Manager from the Settings
> > > menu. In there, you'll see lots of different sound schemes for
> > > working with things like VB.Net, or the Web. I chose Proofreading
> > > Attributes, Font Info and Color.
> > >
> > > Now as I read, JAWS announces the color changes as they occur, and
> > > reads different fonts in different voices.
> > >
> > > Sorry to sighted readers if this message looks chaotic . You can
> > > make these same configuration changes in Word or Word Perfect, etc.
> > >
> > > The trouble is, in order for this to be effective, you'd have to be
> > > reading the whole book. If you were, though, font and color
> changes
> > > would be announced.
> > >
> > > What I was hoping was that JAWS had a Quick Keys setting for font
> > > change, but I don't see one. Then you could just move to the next
> > > font change, and that'd be easy.
> > >
> > > You can also use Word's find features to find a specific font, or
> > find
> > > a specific color of text, but for that to be useful, you'd have to
> > > know what you were looking for.
> > >
> > > None of this probably helps much, but I thought I'd throw in my two
> > cents.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carrie
> > > Karnos
> > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:00 PM
> > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs
> > > other types of disabled bookshare readers
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Evan,
> > >
> > > One option is for blind validators to set the font of the entire
> > > book to
> > > 11
> > > (or thereabouts). I don't particularly like this option because
> it's
> > > harder for sighted people to see chapter and section titles when
> > > they are the same size as the regular text, but it is an option.
> > >
> > > Just an FYI, Carrie
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: EVAN REESE <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 1:47:46 PM
> > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs
> > > other types of disabled bookshare readers
> > >
> > > I think you're right on this. Being unable to see the screen, I
> have
> > > no idea
> > >
> > > how I can be aware of - let alone correct - font problems without
> > > checking the font of every word in the book manually. I have
> checked
> > > the fonts of headings when scanning or validating books, but for
> the
> > > rest, I just have to
> > >
> > > assume the fonts are okay. A person with enough vision to see the
> > > screen can
> > >
> > > look at a whole page and see that something is out of whack. I
> don't
> > > see how
> > >
> > > somewhat with insufficient vision could do anything similar. If I
> am
> > > mistaken, please let me know. I could, of course, check each page
> in
> > > Word or
> > >
> > > K1000 and see what kinds of fonts are on it, and what the sizes
> are.
> > > But as far as I know, those programs don't tell you which font is
> > > where on the page. So someone who cannot see the screen would need
> > > some way of hearing - on the fly - when the font changes and the
> new
> > > characteristics. Is that possible? Unless that can be done, or
> there
> > > is another way for someone with little or no vision to be aware of
> > > font problems without a great deal of time consuming manual
> > > checking, it seems unrealistic to expect that books on
> > >
> > > Bookshare will have no font problems, as long as people with little
> > or
> > > no vision are submitting or validating them.
> > >
> > > Evan
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:55 AM
> > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Scan quality for blind vs
> > > other types of disabled bookshare readers
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >> I will add to this that as a blind validator, it would probably be
> > >> difficult to correct all font problems. If I am incorrect about
> > this,
> > >> I am certainily open to validation help.
> > >>
> > >> Jim
> > >>
> > >> James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
> > >> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810
> > >>
> > >> "it is only possible to live happily ever after on a day-to-day
> > >> basis." -- Margaret Bonnano
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Anastasia
> > >> Saridakis"
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> > >> Scan quality for blind vs
> other
> > >> types of disabled bookshare
> > readers
> > >> 02/01/2008 07:48
> > >> PM
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hi Judy
> > >>
> > >> Before telling you my thoughts about your question let me
> introduce
> > >> myself I'm Anastasia; I am legally blind and use a screen
> enlarger.
> > >> So I
> > can see
> > >> the print but it is straining so I prefer to listen.
> > >>
> > >> Here are my thoughts: I scan in one file type that keeps the
> > >> format,
> > kes,
> > >> and submit it in one that deletes the format. This type, rtf is
> > >> more universal. RTF automatically deletes the formats. It is more
> > >> fluid listening to it without the format. However, I can
> understand
> > >> as
> > someone
> > >> who reads print why keeping the format in tact for the recent
> > members
> > >> would be beneficial, the only format that keeps the print in tact
> > >> is
> > KES
> > >> and that is not a universal file. I hope I have answered your
> > question
> > >> If
> > >> you have further questions or would like to further discuss this
> > topic
> > >> please email me off list.
> > >>
> > >> Anastasia
> > >>
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