[bksvol-discuss] Re: Question for Braille Readers

  • From: "Kathy Hester" <kathyruth@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:09:21 -0500

Hi, Evan,

Are these numbers with the alt ASCII characters?  Where can I find a list of 
them?  It's very interesting to know.  Thanks.

Kathy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:03 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question for Braille Readers


If you're just talking about the ellipsis which consists of three periods,
then the braille translator only makes it look correct when the periods have
no spaces between them. However, there is a special character that word
processors can create that looks like an ellipsis, but which has its own
ASCII value, and which the braille translator cannot handle. There's a tip
on Jake's site about that character -- among others including smart
quotes -- which need to be replaced. I don't think it's likely to show up
much, so I wouldn't worry overly much about that.

As for the bullet, I don't know what the braille translator will do with it.
I seem to recall scanning a book with bullets in it, alt-0149
. But I can't recall which book it was at the moment.

Evan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:24 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question for Braille Readers


> Hi Bob,
>
>         I think that our braille readers can help on the bullet question.
> I don't read enough braille these days to know.
>
>         Evan, Sue?  Anyone else who uses braille enough to know?  What do
> the bookshare tools do with bullets and elipsis?
>
>         I agree completely with you Bob, that elipsis should not be
> changed to apostrophes.  That is exactly as you said "Wrong! Wrong!
> Wrong!"  I'd love it if we could hear that the bookshare braille
> translator makes elipsis  correctly.  And I sadly doubt it.   My only
> consolation is that when children are taught to read braille, (or at least
> I was) they are told that the braille representation of the elipsis is
> different from its representation in print.  I was taught to employ the
> difference when typing.  Young braille readers are never taught that a
> hyphen is interchangeable for an em dash because only in bookshare books
> is this done in braille.
>
> So, I agree with you.  And if I do not know how a change will affect
> everyone, I make no change.  I'm not out to change the world, just to
> maintain already defined standards.  It would be nice if the bookshare
> conversion tools would do everything correctly.  But it would be nice if
> everything was its ideal.  Ah, our imperfect world!
>
> Peace,
> Mayrie
>
> At 07:57 PM 3/24/2008, you wrote:
>>I have a major problem with changing ellipsis for Braille readers.
>>
>>I can go along with the two hyphens for the  - because they look similar.
>>However, to correctly change an ellipse (.) into Braille you have to
>>change it to three apostrophes which doesn't look like anything but three
>>apostrophes in print. Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Braille is not the only medium
>>used for bookshare books, and Braille users shouldn't force speech and
>>print users to change their way of seeing things for our sakes.
>>
>>As far as bullets go, I'm not sure what the software does to a bullet, but
>>I'll bet it isn't pretty *smile*. I think I would just leave bullets
>>alone. My new validating philosophy is, if I don't know what a change will
>>do, then I won't make it.
>>
>>Bob
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Devorah Greenstein"
>><DGreenstein@xxxxxxx>
>>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:50 PM
>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question for Braille Readers
>>
>>
>>>It took me a matter of seconds to replace all my em dashes with hyphen
>>>hyphen with no spaces. So I will happily continue to do that as part of
>>>validating. Now another question. What about ellipses in Braille? That's
>>>the three periods in a row. And what happens with bullets? My next book
>>>has bullets. Is Braille happy with them?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Devorah
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae
>>>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 7:03 PM
>>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question for Braille Readers
>>>
>>>Hi Allison,
>>>
>>>         I'll add here that the bookshare conversion tools will turn
>>>the em dash, which should be represented in braille by two hyphens
>>>side by side with no surrounding spaces to a single hyphen unless you
>>>replace the em dashes in  your books with two hyphens.  This
>>>discussion comes up again and again and I, personally, want,
>>>especially, the books that I submit that are geared to non-adults to
>>>come out in accurate braille.  I want  young readers never to think
>>>that the appropriate representation of a pause in writing should be
>>>by typing a hyphen which they might, if em dashes are not replaced
>>>with double hyphens.
>>>
>>>Just myopinion again and again.
>>>
>>>Peace,
>>>Mayrie
>>>
>>>At 02:08 PM 3/24/2008, you wrote:
>>>>In braille the thing should read as two hyphens with no s[paces
>>>>between the two words so one--two is how it should read.
>>>>
>>>>Cindy
>>>>
>>>>Cindy Lou Ray. Each day is a new adventure.
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Allison Hilliker" <bookshare_girl@xxxxxxx>
>>>>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 3:39 PM
>>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question for Braille Readers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>>Quick question for Braille-readers.  I do read Braille myself, but
>>>>I've
>>>>never paid attention to this issue before.  I'm validating a book with
>>>>a lot
>>>>of em dashes.  They look like this. - They usually connect two words
>>>>like
>>>>this. word1-word2.  They do not usually have spaces around them.  In
>>>>the
>>>>past I have left them as is in the books I validate.
>>>>
>>>>My question is, should I be doing anything special with the em dashes
>>>>in
>>>>order to make them easily read in Braille?  I've never known there to
>>>>be a
>>>>special Braille character for the em dash, but there may be one.  Does
>>>>it
>>>>just look
>>>>like a regular dash, or something else?  Do they appear with spaces
>>>>around
>>>>them or not?  Would most of you prefer me to add spaces, change the em
>>>>dashes to regular dashes, leave them alone, or something else?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for any feedback you can give.
>>>>
>>>>Best,
>>>>
>>>>Allison
>>>>
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