[bksvol-discuss] Re: Puzzling Problem
- From: "Valerie Maples" <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:48:38 -0500
Let me jump in the Roman numerals topic. I think Roman numerals are like
number lines. Below the neutral point, 0 in our modern system, they have a
minus sign and increase in absolute value the further you are from "center",
our zero. In the Roman numeral system, lower case is the equivalent of the
minus sign, and in books, it is used to represent the pages before the body
of work. Usually lower case I is the page before Title page or last page
before page 1. Thus, the largest lower case Roman numeral would be closest
to the book cover of numbers preceding the body of test we think of as the
"real book."
HTH!
Valerie
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of EVAN REESE
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:34 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Puzzling Problem
Hmmm, I hadn't noticed that. I'm looking at the copy of
The Fellowship of the Ring on my Pac Mate right now that I got from Web
Braille, and its preliminary Roman numeral pages are lowercase. Also, I can
tell you that in the print books I've seen, the Roman numerals are in
lowercase.
Evan
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From: siss52 <mailto:siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:14 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Puzzling Problem
In NLS Braille books the Roman numerals are always in caps.
Sue S.
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From: Bob <mailto:rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:38 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Puzzling Problem
Sure there's lower-case roman numerals. They are the ones not in caps.
I think many books begin their books with lower-case roman numerals. But,
don't know for sure.
Besides, it's just a suggestion, do it, don't do it, do some of it. It's
your call.
Bob
"We know the future will outlast all of us, but I believe that all of us
will live on in the future we make,"
Senator Edward M. Kennedy
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From: Jill O'Connell <mailto:jillocon@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:46 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Puzzling Problem
Mayrie, I'm curious to know what census came up with the idea of lower case
Roman numerals; is there even such a thing?
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From: Mayrie ReNae <mailto:mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:05 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Puzzling Problem
Hi Lori,
It isn't exact, but I have experienced what you are talking about. I
just number backward from roman numeral ix and if there are pages before
roman numeral i, well, then, I just leave them unnumbered.
Often there are pages before what the publisher seemed to consider the
first page of the book containing raves and things like that that they seem
not to consider pages.
Why do we number the preliminary pages? Because it makes sense, I
guess. And I assume that if the publisher actually numbered a page ix, then
it seems sensible that said publisher considered, or even did (but they
didn't scan) number the pages before that page with the preceding roman
numerals.
This is not a step required by bookshare. Remember that bookshare only
requires that a book have all of its pages, an accurate copyright page and
title page, and 90% of page breaks, with the 90% of page numbers being in
the works to be required. The rest of what we have written about in our
documentation for proofreading and scanning are the things that a consensus
of quite a few people consider the best way to create the most readable
books possible. Since bookshare only requires the things I've mentioned
above, as Bob says, I guess the rest are just suggestions.
I do want to say that a lot of experience and conversation did go into
creating the suggestions that we created. And we didn't decide anything just
because we felt like making more work for ourselves or for other people.
I'm sorry everything isn't exact and set in stone. Or anywhere near
perfect in every single situation.
Mayrie
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lori Castner
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 4:11 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Puzzling Problem
Hi, Everyone,
I have a very minor puzzling situation in a book I'm proofreading.
In one of the newer documents on what to do as a proofreader, it states that
we are to number preliminary pages with lower case Roman numerals beginning
with i.
However, in this book I am proofing, the acknowledgments begin on IX (Roman
numeral nine), but there are ten actual pages before the acknowledgments
begin. One is a blank page which I can remove, but even so there will still
be nine preliminary pages before the first page with a page number, Roman
numeral nine. Do I begin my lower case numerals with zero--is there a Roman
numeral for zero?
And why are we numbering these unnumbered preliminary pages anyway?
Bob, I'm waiting for a humorous answer from you, but also seriously what do
I do when the number of unnumbered pages is greater than the lower case
numerals?
Lori C.
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