I recall asking the question on this list about whether different editions of the same book are treated as different books by Bookshare. My concern was that there are some certain books that Bookshare does already have that I know of other editions that have additional material that I think is valuable. I was contemplating scanning such books, but I never did actually get around to it. Scott said that if a book has a different ISBN it was counted as a different book by Bookshare. He went on to cite as at least one reason that a student might be using the book in a class and the teacher might say to turn to a specific page and it would be important that the student would find the same thing on that page that the other students did. I went on to ask if the books in question did not have ISBNs but were still different editions would that qualify them for the status of different books. I never got an answer to that question, but I was only asking it for explicit clarity anyway. I would actually suppose that if different ISBNs count as different books then different editions, whether they have ISBNs or not, would. I would suppose that if a publisher quality book in the collection has a different ISBN than the print copy you have that you can go ahead and scan it. I think it would be good to alert Carrie though. I would put a note in the comments section when submitting that I realize that this title is already in the collection, but I think that it is significantly different to justify inclusion along with the copy that is already there. Personally, I would be hesitant to scan an additional copy of most books that are already in the collection. That is because I think it is more important to contribute books that are not in accessible format rather than slightly different versions of books that are already in accessible format anyway. However, I would not have asked the question if I had not been contemplating just such a thing. One book that I was contemplating scanning, but never got around to, was The Communist Manifesto. At the time I asked the question I noted that Bookshare had just one edition. I had in mind another edition that Contains introductory material that I do think is very significantly different and would very much justify an additional copy in the collection. I just now did a search of the collection and note that it now contains at least three editions and the one I have in mind is still not one of them. So I might yet get around to scanning it and would have already if I had a copy on hand. Now, there is one thing I do not understand. If a publisher quality book is an ebook from the very start then that is a very significant difference from a print edition. The difference is certainly greater than just a slightly different size of font or slightly different numeration of pages. However, I have an account at Good Reads and when I post that I am reading a book I want the edition that I am reading to match as closely as possible the entry on Good Reads. The easiest way to do that is to search by ISBN if there is an ISBN. By doing that I have discovered that at least some of these publisher quality books have an ISBN that matches a print version. If each form of a book is supposed to have its ownISBN I do not see how this can be.
On 3/17/2012 11:59 PM, Valerie Maples wrote:
I was of the understanding we could not submit books that are already in PQ. Or, is that only of identical ISBN? I had heard industry mutterings that they might be starting to list page equivalencies, or what specifically the hard cover or paperback copy were in length.With more and more PQ books in the collection, I hope they add DAISY navigation to the Read: OutLoud Bookshare Edition since you won't be able to search by page number if moving from one device to another...Valerie Join us in celebrating our 10th Anniversary! Bookshare: Bringing Reading to Life for 10 Years http://www.bookshare.org/ *From:* Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Sent:* Sat, March 17, 2012 9:55:10 PM *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Publisher Book? Too bad. I guess if a member wants a PQ book with page numbers and navigation aids he/she will have to add the book to the wish list. Cindy Join us in celebrating our 10^th Anniversary! <http://blog.bookshare.org/2012/03/11/join-bookshares-worldwide-10th-anniversary-celebration/> <http://blog.bookshare.org/2012/03/11/join-bookshares-worldwide-10th-anniversary-celebration/> TinyURL.com/752cyrs <http://TinyURL.com/752cyrs> *From:* Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:02 PM *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Publisher Book? Hi Cindy, Page breaks cannot be added to publisher quality books. The ISBN of that ebook is the ISBN of the ebook only which doesn't have page breaks in it at all. If changes need to be made to publisher quality books, they need to be made by engineering or Bookshare staff who have determined that problems have been caused by the Bookshare conversion tools. If the problems are problems created by the publisher/editor/author, we can't change them. Sorry. Mayrie *From:* bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Cindy *Sent:* Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:36 PM *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Publisher Book? Can an ebook be put on the download lists as aBSO so someone could proof it and add page breaks and numbers? It isn't fari for me, who is s willing to proof, to suggest that someone scan the title in question,as that's much more difficult Cindy Join us in celebrating our 10^th Anniversary! <http://blog.bookshare.org/2012/03/11/join-bookshares-worldwide-10th-anniversary-celebration/> <http://blog.bookshare.org/2012/03/11/join-bookshares-worldwide-10th-anniversary-celebration/> TinyURL.com/752cyrs <http://TinyURL.com/752cyrs> *From:* Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Saturday, March 17, 2012 9:34 AM *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Publisher Book? Hi Reggie, Page numbers will not be added to publisher quality books. That can't be done as the books are e-books and so never had page numbers to begin with. If you would like to make a quality report on any book, you can find the link on the book information page that has both the short and long synopsis. The link to make a book quality report is below all of the metadata, just below the "reading tools" link. Hope that helps. Mayrie *From:* bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Regina Alvarado *Sent:* Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:14 AM *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Publisher Book? Cindy said to make out a quality report and page numbers and such will be put in. We are talking about PQ books, correct? It truly is not an issue for me since I use a BrailleNote and it holds my place, but it could be for the partially-sighted or dyslexic. Where do you find a quality report. I would be glad to fill one out. Reggie *From:* bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Roger Loran Bailey *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:12 PM *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Publisher Book? Try going to the advanced search. Go down the page until you find the check boxes for the quality of books you are searching for. Uncheck publisher quality and be sure the other qualities are checked and then click go. The results that are returned should be books that were not submitted by publishers. I get 69,077 results. This will include both books produced by volunteers and by the outsourcers. On 3/15/2012 7:47 PM, Cindy wrote:Anything that doesn't say PQ is a book done by volunteers. You should fill out a quality report on the book that has no page breaks or numbers, and then it will be fixed. Cindy Join us in celebrating our 10^th Anniversary! <http://blog.bookshare.org/2012/03/11/join-bookshares-worldwide-10th-anniversary-celebration/> <http://blog.bookshare.org/2012/03/11/join-bookshares-worldwide-10th-anniversary-celebration/> TinyURL.com/752cyrs <http://TinyURL.com/752cyrs> *From:* Regina Alvarado <regina.alvarado6@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:regina.alvarado6@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:51 PM *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Publisher Book? Taking time out from proofing for a few days to read a book from the collection. The book has absolutely no page breaks or page numbers. Do you think it might be a publisher book? Publisher books are not proofed by us, right? How can you find our books as opposed to the publisher books in the collection? 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