Donna, 1. The page numbers are what the Stripper is looking for. That's it's primary job, to recognize and process page numbers. Stripping the text that it finds along with them was just something that the Engineer decided to throw in for a bonus. The page numbers are stripped and stored in the SMIL file according to the DAISY specification. DAISY readers use this information to navigate through the book. The page numbers are put back in the BRF and HTML files when those files are created. 2. Sorry about the periods. They're just a kind of vertical ellipses to signify that something's there. Just a way to make the text part take up more room. Ignore them. HTH Gerald _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Donna Smith Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 8:20 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Protecting page numbers and chapter headings Gerald, this is great information. Two more questions if you don't mind. 1. So if I manually strip all headers, put a blank line then the page number and then another blank line, the BookShare stripper won't then strip the page number as the closest thing resembling a header? 2. I hope I'm not just being too obtuse, but in your examples, do you mean that I should put in the three lines with a period separated by a blank line? What's the purpose of this? Thanks. Donna _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerald Hovas Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 7:19 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Protecting page numbers and chapter headings Donna, 1. Yes, put a blank line before and after the page number when the page number is in the header as well as a blank line at the bottom of the page. I'm not sure if the blank line is necessary between the page number and the text, but I can say that putting one after the header does work well. If you leave the blank lines at the top and bottom of the pages off, then some odd things will happen to the page numbers when the HTML file is created. The page numbers end up as part of a paragraph instead of on a separate line. Example of how the page should look... [Page Break] 95 . . . text . . . [Page Break] 2. Yes, put a blank line between the chapter heading and the first line of text. Again, I don't know that this is necessary, but it does work well, and some people have said that it is necessary. 3. Yes, you need to give the Stripper something to strip other than the chapter heading or the chapter heading will be stripped. The easiest thing to do when page numbers are normally at the top of pages except on pages where a chapter begins is to move the page number from the bottom of the page to the top. If page numbers are always at the bottom of the page, then place a false header above the chapter heading. Using the title works well, and it won't look as odd if the Stripper fails to strip it for some odd reason. It helps to strip all of the real headers manually since its easier to strip them yourself than to insure that they are consistent so that the Stripper will remove them all, but if you do leave them in, then just follow the pattern of the headers and put whatever header would normally appear on the top of that page above the chapter heading. Examples of how pages should look... [Page Break] 95 Chapter Seven . . . text . . . [Page Break] [Page Break] The Firm Chapter Seven . . . text . . . 95 [Page Break] Or if the page would normally contain the author's name instead of the title... [Page Break] John Grisham Chapter Seven . . . text . . . [Page Break] I can't say that these are the only ways to do it, but I've had excellent results with these approaches. HTH Gerald _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Donna Smith Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:41 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Protecting page numbers and chapter headings Hi all. I hesitate to ask this question, but I can't find the answer on any of the official or unofficial sites giving tips to scanners. Did we ever determine absolutely what should be done to protect page numbers and chapter headings? What I want to know is: 1. At the top of each page, do I need to put a blank line before and/or after the page number? 2. For chapter numbers/titles that appear at the top of the page, do I put a blank line before and/or after it? 3. Is it necessary to have something at the top of the page for the BookShare stripper to strip? I spend a good bit of time cleaning up each scan regarding page numbers, chapter headings and stripping out unwanted headers. I'm trying to do it in such a way that it will result in the best book in the finished product. I really, really hope that an answer has been found to this question and that I'm not opening up the can of worms we've had before about the different perceptions of what might work. <smile> Thanks. Peace and Hope, Donna