[bksvol-discuss] Re: Protecting chapter anemes/page numbers
- From: Carrie Karnos <ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 17:15:22 -0700 (PDT)
Grace is correct. If the first alphanumeric word after a page break is the word
"Chapter", the stripper will delete the line. So I add the word "Chapter" above
the real chapter title, the stripper deletes my fake line and leaves the real
chapter title alone. A line of stars will also cause the stripper to not delete
the real chapter title. Are the stars left in the text? I should check that
out....
Carrie
----- Original Message ----
From: Silvara <silvara@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 4:15:48 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Protecting chapter anemes/page numbers
Unless I am misunderstanding your message, you should not take out the word
chapter.
Carrie has said to type the chapter skip a line and leave the chapter so and
so as it is. This is for the cases where page numbers are at the bottom.
When page numbers are at the top add the page number at the top to follow
the rest of the book.
It strips chapter title because it's a repeated word throughout the text.
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From: "Devorah Greenstein" <DGreenstein@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 7:52 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Protecting chapter anemes/page numbers
Ah. Thanks.
So if I take out the word "Chapter" the page will be safe, including the
name of the chapter. But doesn't that mean that Bob's suggestion about
putting a row of junk characters above the line that says "Chapter one"
will result in a page that has a row of junk characters, because the
Stripper won't recognize the junk characters as something to gobble up?
Would it be within our agreement not to change words if I just remove
the word "chapter" from a chapter page?
Devorah
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:39 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Protecting chapter anemes/page numbers
If the page numbers are at the bottom of the page and there are no
headers at the top of the page the section titles should not be stripped
as they are not repeated. That and the fact that headers and footers
rarely scan perfectly throughout the book are why many submitters and
validators strip headers, tedious as it is. However, Jake once said
something about pages that begin with the word Chapter having their
first line stripped, too.
Misha
Devorah Greenstein wrote:
> Okay, what I don't understand is if I'm validating a book with page
> numbers are at the bottom (which I'm doing now), why the Stripper does
> not strip away the top line of text on every page if it so
determinedly
> chomps away a chapter name which only looks like a line of text to the
> Stripper. (I think capitalizing the 'S' in Stripper makes it sound
more
> animate and intentional.)
>
> Why don't I have to protect the top line of text if I have to put
> asterisks or other junk text above a chapter name that only appears
> once?
>
> Devorah
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 8:03 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Protecting chapter anemes/page numbers
>
> If the page numbers are at the bottom of the page you definitely have
to
>
> put something like the *********** at the top of pages with
> section/chapter/story names (as the first reader found out all too
> painfully from a book I recently validated *groan*).
>
> You would think this stripper would know that the first time a new
> header comes up it is a title to be kept. But no, it's outa there
with
> that title unless you give it something else above the title to
remove.
>
> Also, if there is a page number with nothing else on the same line at
> the top of the page, that too will protect chapter names.
>
> Misha
>
>
> Shelley Rhodes wrote:
>
>> Good response Cindy,
>>
>> I also put a row of ********* above the Chapter title, to give um,
the
>> stripper something to eat so it leaves my chapter numbers alone!
>>
>>
>> Shelley L. Rhodes M.A., VRT, CTVI
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>> "Courage is not being without fear,
>> but courage is to go forward in spite of
>> fear."
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 5:50 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Protecting chapter anemes/page numbers
>>
>>
>> Sigh. Mary Anne, I was hoping someone else would reply to your
>>
> question, but
>
>> no one has so far, so here goes. (I say that because I don't explain
>>
> things
>
>> as clearly as some others do).
>>
>> Bookshare has automatic stripper (which we all keep hoping will strip
>>
> itself
>
>> and disappear). It's intended to automatically delete headers, but it
>> doesn't do a very good job of that. It's intended, I think, to take
>>
> out
>
>> words that are repeated exactly, on the first line, and so it will
>>
> delete
>
>> the word Chapter unless something is put on the line in front of the
>>
> word. I
>
>> think it takes out page numbers if the header is on the same line. So
>>
> we who
>
>> scan or validate usually remove the headers by oursleves, put a line
>>
> space
>
>> and then the page number and then another space, and thus, because
the
>>
> page
>
>> number is always different on every page, the word chapter, which is
>>
> usually
>
>> a couple of lines below the page number, is preserved.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> G.Cindy
>>
>>
>>
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Protecting chapter anemes/page numbers
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Thursday, May 8, 2008, 7:12 AM
>>> Could someone please explain what is meant by protecting
>>> chapter names and
>>> page numbers? I've seen this but can't find what
>>> it means. I'm in the
>>> process of scanning a few books for submission so I'd
>>> like to do it right.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mary Anne Lynskey
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