[bksvol-discuss] Re: Proofing: Many Questions

Hi Sandi,
 
Thanks for trying and for updating us as to the results.  This is definitely
a bummer!  If you decide to try Kurzweil, please let me know if you hit
snags.  That's the software I use both for scanning and for most
proofreading.
 
Mayrie
 
 

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Hi Mary,
 
I tried this experiment using both OBX and ARK files.  Within OpenBook, the
only place I get blank lines is in blank spaces--where we in Bookshare put
in asterisks.  So apparently the paragraphs are stripped before conversion
to RTF or DOC!  In the front-of-book material, paragraphs are indicated with
a blank line between, for example, the warning about books sold
fraudulently, the ISBN, and the copyright information.  But in the text
itself, text is presented, on screen and in audio, without paragraph breaks.

 
I tried, as you suggested, lifting text in its native format from OpenBook
into a Word file.  That doesn't help, since the paragraphs are gone before
the text is converted.  And I would have to lift the text one page at a
time, inserting the page breaks myself in the Word file.  Not worth it!
 
I can't find, in my menus, settings for doing anything by paragraph.  I
think I'll work on switching to Kurzweil--but I'd sure like to solve this
issue!
 
Thanks for the suggestions--everyone!
 
Sandi
 

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From: Mayrie  <mailto:mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> ReNae 
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:34 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Proofing: Many Questions

Hi Sandi,
 
Please let us know what you discover.
 
If Open Book hasn't changed, it inserts a blank line between paragraphs.
This isn't a problem, as long as lines of text within paragraphs aren't each
marked as a paragraph.  And even if they are, that's easy to fix with find
and replace.
 
Mayrie
 
 

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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:32 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Proofing: Many Questions


I'll try this, Mary.  Not sure--but it kind of sounds like, at least if it's
an OpenBook problem, it might work.  I'll try a few pages and see.  This
would at least let me know whether it's an OpenBook or a Word conversion
problem.
 
Sandi
 

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From: Mayrie  <mailto:mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> ReNae 
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:25 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Proofing: Many Questions

Hi Sandi,
 
The idea that I have is totally clunky, but I wonder: If you scan a few
pages of a book, recognizing in the native format of your scanning software,
then select all of the document and then copy and paste that text into Word,
saving as an rtf document, what happens?  Are paragraph marks accurate then?
Could you, in theory, scan a book and then select, copy, and paste it into
Word then save the whole thing as an rtf document, and have a representation
that is accurate?
 
I know it's clunky, but would/does that work, do you think?  Would that
create more problems?
 
Just wondering.  Please ignore the idea if it's way too cumbersome.
 
Mayrie
 
 

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Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:18 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Proofing: Many Questions


Hi James,
 
Since I'm the person writing lots of questions on this topic previously,
here's what I've learned:
 
If you get no paragraphs, try a different format.  For example, for me,
scanning directly into DOC format for Word removes all paragraph marks.
Scanning in RTF puts a paragraph mark at the end of each line, even when I'm
not retaining exact view. This means I have to go through by line and strip
unnecessary paragraph marks, but it makes the paragraphs a bit more obvious
than having everything run together.
 
What scanning software are you using?  I'm using OpenBook 8.0, and I've not
yet found the answer.  My best answer so far, if you're a blind person, is
to find a proofreader with some vision willing to check formatting,
especially paragraphing, for you, and then make your best guess with
paragraphs before sending it to them.  This is a lot more work for a blind
scanner, since we can only guess--or make even more work by scanning and
then using an Optacon or something to find paragraphs, but I love scanning,
and have become part of a team that works well for me.
 
I have come to the conclusion that the issue, at least for me, is a setting
in either OpenBook or Word that adds paragraph marks when converting to RTF
or strips them when converting to DOC.  I haven't tried using ARK or OBX
formats for scanning, because the problem isn't in scanning the book, so far
as I can tell, but in converting it to a format I want to use for correcting
and sending to Bookshare.
 
Anyway, I don't know if this will help, but it's my latest knowledge.
 
Sandi
 

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From: Homme, James <mailto:james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>  
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:57 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Proofing: Many Questions


Hi Mayrie,

Even if it's my best guess?

 

Thanks.

 

Jim

 

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Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:49 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Proofing: Many Questions

 

Hi Jim,

 

Yes, often OCR runs paragraphs together.  Please insert paragraph marks
where they belong.

 

Mayrie

 

 

 


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Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:25 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Proofing: Many Questions

Hi,

I'm getting back into proofing after a very long absence. 

 

First question: Should I put in paragraph breaks if it looks like the scan
jammed everything together? It seems obvious from context that paragraphs
are run together.

 

Thanks.

 

Jim

 

Jim Homme,

Usability Services,

Phone: 412-544-1810.

 

 


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