[bksvol-discuss] Re: Problem with Open Book
- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:22:11 -0700
Hi Debby,
Oh, I'm sorry. I don't know enough about screen shots to have any advice to
give. If you'd like to write to me off list and describe exactly what they
are, and why they exist, maybe then I can have an informed opinion, or can
direct you to someone else better in the know to help with that. My e-mail
address is mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx
Mayrie
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Debby Franson
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 7:55 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Problem with Open Book
Hi Mayrie!!
I agree now that I have thought about and read about trying Denises
suggestion. Testing on a copy is all I'll do if I remember. Thanks for
your advice.
What is your advice about screen shots?
Debby
At 11:47 PM 4/10/2010, Mayrie ReNae wrote
>Hi Debby,
>
>I would not do any replacement of paragraph marks when processing a
>book of poetry. The replacement of paragraph marks can indeed run
>lines of poetry together on one line when they should be separated on more
than one line.
>
>I wouldn't want to take a chance that any of the poetic formatting
>would be lost.
>
>Just my opinion though.
>
>Mayrie
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Debby Franson
>Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 10:59 AM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Problem with Open Book
>
>Hi Lori and everyone!
>
>Unless I am scanning poetry, which I have rarely done or the computer
>book "Upgrade your life" that I am working on, which has many screen
>shots, in both cases making OpenBook's recognized columns turned off, I
>prefer to have OpenBook recognize columns, because I have always
>thought the lines wrapped better, but didn't know why until the
>discussion about the paragraph marks at the end of each line. I'm glad
>I understand this subject somewhat better now.
>
>My question is, if I use Denise's suggestion on either the poetry book
>or the computer book, will the formatting be changed any? I don't want
>the screen shots to get messed up and I also wouldn't want the Haiku
>poetry to get formatted differently, since the formatting is a little
>unconventional due to the fact that these are translations from the
>original Japanese authors, so sometimes there is only one word on a
>line to accomodate rhyming according to the note in the book.
>
>Oh, yes, I don't do a lot of two-page scanning either, mostly because
>most of the books I scan are too large for it, but also, because
>sometimes I have noticed that there is not a page break between two
>facing pages, so it's one long page in the scan, forcing me to fix it
>by inserting a page break manually, though two-page scanning has worked
>pretty well for me the few times I have been in a hurry with a paperback.
>
>Debby
>
>At 12:26 PM 4/7/2010, Lori Castner wrote
> >Roger, I am an Openbook user, and use version 7.2.
> >
> >I have not scanned any books recently because I prefer to proofread.
> >So I did some test scans this morning trying various options.
> >
> >When I scan either in two-page or single page mode with columns
> >recognized on I do not get the paragraph marks at the end of lines.
> >I am recognizing text using omnipage.
> >
> >If I have recognize columns turned off then I get the paragraph mark
> >at the end of every line.
> >
> >With any setting I get a blank line between paragraphs, but that is
> >not a real problem.
> >
> >By the way, I virtually quit scanning in two-page mode because often
> >one page would scan as a blank page and then the two pages would scan
> >as one page. Cleaning up the text was frustrating. Someone
> >explained why this happens, but no matter the reason I found that I
> >wasted a lot of time solving the problem and that using single-page
> >scan proved more efficient for me.
> >I don't know if any of this helps you, but thought I would share.
> >I do save my openbook files in .rtf and then proofread with Word 2003.
> >I am going to try Denise's method as many books that come through
> >have paragraph marks at the end of lines.
> >
> >Lori C.
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Loran Bailey"
> ><rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 9:46 AM
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Problem with Open Book
> >
> >
> >>Okay, I believe you when you say that it is not the 27 step process.
> >>For that matter, I don't even know what the 27 step process is.
> >>Since I don't have Word there was no ppoint in my ever looking at
> >>it. What I meant when I said it won't work is that it won't work
> >>right now with the equipment I have on hand. I am also sorry that
> >>your instructions here did not make sense to me because I have never
> >>used Word and have no idea how to go about using it. I did not say
> >>that I was going out and buying Kurzweil right away either. For
> >>right now I just think I will look into it. I understand that if you
> >>have Open Book you can get a big discount on Kurzweil.
> >>Unfortunately, it is still expensive, so it is the less likely route I
will go. Getting Word is more likely.
> >>However, until I do get Word and learn how to use it, I still say it
> >>won't work. In the meantime, though, I have some ideas about what I
> >>can do until I get into a position such that it will work and I will
> >>probably be back on the list with that later. First I have to confer
> >>with
>Rick at Bookshare again though.
> >>
> >>
> >>_ _ _
> >>
> >>"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer
> >>god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other
> >>possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours"
> >>Stephen Roberts
> >>
> >>
> >>The Militant:
> >>http://www.themilitant.com
> >>Pathfinder Press:
> >>http://www.pathfinderpress.com
> >>Granma International:
> >> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise Thompson"
> >><deniset@xxxxxxx>
> >>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:45 PM
> >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Problem with Open Book
> >>
> >>
> >>>Roger
> >>>you're digging yourself a hole here. Will you stop telling me it's
> >>>the same as the 27 step process and that bookshare says it won't
> >>>work. I use OB myself and I'm telling you it does work. Get
> >>>yourself an inexpensive copy of word and I'll help you with your
> >>>issue. You don't need pro or any of the rest of the suite just
> >>>word. It'll be a lot less expensive than Kursweil which is either $1200
or $1300.
> >>>This is what you do
> >>>The idea here is that when scanning into OB, don't make any line or
> >>>spacing changes until you're done. OB creates paragraphs by putting
> >>>two paragraph marks together which makes a blank line between
> >>>paragraphs. So you do what follows in the order I've specified. The
> >>>first step gets rid of the paragraph marks at the end of each line.
> >>>It uses the double marks to determine where the paragraphs are and
> >>>thereby eliminates those single paragraph marks. The second step
> >>>gets rid of the double paragraph marks leaving just one paragraph
> >>>at the end of the paragraph and gets rid of the extra blank line.
> >>>If you do the second step first, word has no way of determining
> >>>which are the marks within the paragraph. So it gets rid of all
paragraph marks.
> >>>That's why you must do the first step listed first. If you do some
> >>>of the 27 step stuff before you do this it may throw it off. If you
> >>>convert the M dashes before the paragraph that won't hurt anything.
> >>>If you locate page breaks and eliminate blank lines at the top of
> >>>the page or something like that first it can goof uphow you want
> >>>your page numbers or chapter titles to be displayed. For example it
> >>>may pull the chapter to the same line as the page number. So you do
> >>>this first before you look for page breaks or any of that stuff.
> >>>You do this first before you do any other clean up and you're home
free.
> >>>If you pull up a file into Word in which each line ends with a
> >>>paragraph mark and each paragraph ends with two or more paragraph
marks:
> >>>1. On the Edit Menu, choose Replace.
> >>>2. In the Find What box, enter:
> >>>([!^13])(^13)([!^13])
> >>>In the Replace With box, enter:
> >>>\1 \3
> >>>Click the More.. button, and check Use Wildcards.
> >>>Click Replace All and click OK when Word tells you it has done the
> >>>replacement.
> >>>This will remove any paragraph marks that are at the end of a line
> >>>but within a paragraph.
> >>>3. Now, in the Find What box, enter:
> >>>^13{2,}
> >>>In the Replace With box, enter:
> >>>^p
> >>>Click Replace All and click OK when Word tells you it has done the
> >>>replacement.
> >>>This will remove multiple consecutive paragraph marks, so that each
> >>>paragraph ends with just one paragraph mark, as it should.
> >>>Note that the Use Wildcards setting is sticky, so if you
> >>>subsequently do another Find and Replace during the same Word
> >>>session, you have to remember to switch it off again, if appropriate.
> >>>
> >>>Denise
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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