[bksvol-discuss] Re: Problem with Open Book
- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:47:01 -0700
Hi Debby,
I would not do any replacement of paragraph marks when processing a book of
poetry. The replacement of paragraph marks can indeed run lines of poetry
together on one line when they should be separated on more than one line.
I wouldn't want to take a chance that any of the poetic formatting would be
lost.
Just my opinion though.
Mayrie
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Debby Franson
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 10:59 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Problem with Open Book
Hi Lori and everyone!
Unless I am scanning poetry, which I have rarely done or the computer book
"Upgrade your life" that I am working on, which has many screen shots, in
both cases making OpenBook's recognized columns turned off, I prefer to have
OpenBook recognize columns, because I have always thought the lines wrapped
better, but didn't know why until the discussion about the paragraph marks
at the end of each line. I'm glad I understand this subject somewhat better
now.
My question is, if I use Denise's suggestion on either the poetry book or
the computer book, will the formatting be changed any? I don't want the
screen shots to get messed up and I also wouldn't want the Haiku poetry to
get formatted differently, since the formatting is a little unconventional
due to the fact that these are translations from the original Japanese
authors, so sometimes there is only one word on a line to accomodate rhyming
according to the note in the book.
Oh, yes, I don't do a lot of two-page scanning either, mostly because most
of the books I scan are too large for it, but also, because sometimes I have
noticed that there is not a page break between two facing pages, so it's one
long page in the scan, forcing me to fix it by inserting a page break
manually, though two-page scanning has worked pretty well for me the few
times I have been in a hurry with a paperback.
Debby
At 12:26 PM 4/7/2010, Lori Castner wrote
>Roger, I am an Openbook user, and use version 7.2.
>
>I have not scanned any books recently because I prefer to proofread.
>So I did some test scans this morning trying various options.
>
>When I scan either in two-page or single page mode with columns
>recognized on I do not get the paragraph marks at the end of lines. I
>am recognizing text using omnipage.
>
>If I have recognize columns turned off then I get the paragraph mark at
>the end of every line.
>
>With any setting I get a blank line between paragraphs, but that is not
>a real problem.
>
>By the way, I virtually quit scanning in two-page mode because often
>one page would scan as a blank page and then the two pages would scan
>as one page. Cleaning up the text was frustrating. Someone explained
>why this happens, but no matter the reason I found that I wasted a lot
>of time solving the problem and that using single-page scan proved more
>efficient for me.
>I don't know if any of this helps you, but thought I would share.
>I do save my openbook files in .rtf and then proofread with Word 2003.
>I am going to try Denise's method as many books that come through have
>paragraph marks at the end of lines.
>
>Lori C.
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Loran Bailey"
><rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 9:46 AM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Problem with Open Book
>
>
>>Okay, I believe you when you say that it is not the 27 step process.
>>For that matter, I don't even know what the 27 step process is. Since
>>I don't have Word there was no ppoint in my ever looking at it. What I
>>meant when I said it won't work is that it won't work right now with
>>the equipment I have on hand. I am also sorry that your instructions
>>here did not make sense to me because I have never used Word and have
>>no idea how to go about using it. I did not say that I was going out
>>and buying Kurzweil right away either. For right now I just think I
>>will look into it. I understand that if you have Open Book you can get
>>a big discount on Kurzweil. Unfortunately, it is still expensive, so
>>it is the less likely route I will go. Getting Word is more likely.
>>However, until I do get Word and learn how to use it, I still say it
>>won't work. In the meantime, though, I have some ideas about what I
>>can do until I get into a position such that it will work and I will
>>probably be back on the list with that later. First I have to confer with
Rick at Bookshare again though.
>>
>>
>>_ _ _
>>
>>"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god
>>than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other
>>possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours"
>>Stephen Roberts
>>
>>
>>The Militant:
>>http://www.themilitant.com
>>Pathfinder Press:
>>http://www.pathfinderpress.com
>>Granma International:
>> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise Thompson" <deniset@xxxxxxx>
>>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:45 PM
>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Problem with Open Book
>>
>>
>>>Roger
>>>you're digging yourself a hole here. Will you stop telling me it's
>>>the same as the 27 step process and that bookshare says it won't
>>>work. I use OB myself and I'm telling you it does work. Get yourself
>>>an inexpensive copy of word and I'll help you with your issue. You
>>>don't need pro or any of the rest of the suite just word. It'll be a
>>>lot less expensive than Kursweil which is either $1200 or $1300.
>>>This is what you do
>>>The idea here is that when scanning into OB, don't make any line or
>>>spacing changes until you're done. OB creates paragraphs by putting
>>>two paragraph marks together which makes a blank line between
>>>paragraphs. So you do what follows in the order I've specified. The
>>>first step gets rid of the paragraph marks at the end of each line.
>>>It uses the double marks to determine where the paragraphs are and
>>>thereby eliminates those single paragraph marks. The second step gets
>>>rid of the double paragraph marks leaving just one paragraph at the
>>>end of the paragraph and gets rid of the extra blank line. If you do
>>>the second step first, word has no way of determining which are the
>>>marks within the paragraph. So it gets rid of all paragraph marks.
>>>That's why you must do the first step listed first. If you do some of
>>>the 27 step stuff before you do this it may throw it off. If you
>>>convert the M dashes before the paragraph that won't hurt anything.
>>>If you locate page breaks and eliminate blank lines at the top of the
>>>page or something like that first it can goof uphow you want your
>>>page numbers or chapter titles to be displayed. For example it may
>>>pull the chapter to the same line as the page number. So you do this
>>>first before you look for page breaks or any of that stuff. You do
>>>this first before you do any other clean up and you're home free.
>>>If you pull up a file into Word in which each line ends with a
>>>paragraph mark and each paragraph ends with two or more paragraph marks:
>>>1. On the Edit Menu, choose Replace.
>>>2. In the Find What box, enter:
>>>([!^13])(^13)([!^13])
>>>In the Replace With box, enter:
>>>\1 \3
>>>Click the More.. button, and check Use Wildcards.
>>>Click Replace All and click OK when Word tells you it has done the
>>>replacement.
>>>This will remove any paragraph marks that are at the end of a line
>>>but within a paragraph.
>>>3. Now, in the Find What box, enter:
>>>^13{2,}
>>>In the Replace With box, enter:
>>>^p
>>>Click Replace All and click OK when Word tells you it has done the
>>>replacement.
>>>This will remove multiple consecutive paragraph marks, so that each
>>>paragraph ends with just one paragraph mark, as it should.
>>>Note that the Use Wildcards setting is sticky, so if you subsequently
>>>do another Find and Replace during the same Word session, you have to
>>>remember to switch it off again, if appropriate.
>>>
>>>Denise
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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