[bksvol-discuss] Re: Problem with Open Book

Hi Lori and everyone!

Unless I am scanning poetry, which I have rarely done or the computer book "Upgrade your life" that I am working on, which has many screen shots, in both cases making OpenBook's recognized columns turned off, I prefer to have OpenBook recognize columns, because I have always thought the lines wrapped better, but didn't know why until the discussion about the paragraph marks at the end of each line. I'm glad I understand this subject somewhat better now.

My question is, if I use Denise's suggestion on either the poetry book or the computer book, will the formatting be changed any? I don't want the screen shots to get messed up and I also wouldn't want the Haiku poetry to get formatted differently, since the formatting is a little unconventional due to the fact that these are translations from the original Japanese authors, so sometimes there is only one word on a line to accomodate rhyming according to the note in the book.

Oh, yes, I don't do a lot of two-page scanning either, mostly because most of the books I scan are too large for it, but also, because sometimes I have noticed that there is not a page break between two facing pages, so it's one long page in the scan, forcing me to fix it by inserting a page break manually, though two-page scanning has worked pretty well for me the few times I have been in a hurry with a paperback.

Debby

At 12:26 PM 4/7/2010, Lori Castner wrote
Roger, I am an Openbook user, and use version 7.2.

I have not scanned any books recently because I prefer to proofread. So I did some test scans this morning trying various options.

When I scan either in two-page or single page mode with columns recognized on I do not get the paragraph marks at the end of lines. I am recognizing text using omnipage.

If I have recognize columns turned off then I get the paragraph mark at the end of every line.

With any setting I get a blank line between paragraphs, but that is not a real problem.

By the way, I virtually quit scanning in two-page mode because often one page would scan as a blank page and then the two pages would scan as one page. Cleaning up the text was frustrating. Someone explained why this happens, but no matter the reason I found that I wasted a lot of time solving the problem and that using single-page scan proved more efficient for me.
I don't know if any of this helps you, but thought I would share.
I do save my openbook files in .rtf and then proofread with Word 2003. I am going to try Denise's method as many books that come through have paragraph marks at the end of lines.

Lori C.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Problem with Open Book


Okay, I believe you when you say that it is not the 27 step process. For that matter, I don't even know what the 27 step process is. Since I don't have Word there was no ppoint in my ever looking at it. What I meant when I said it won't work is that it won't work right now with the equipment I have on hand. I am also sorry that your instructions here did not make sense to me because I have never used Word and have no idea how to go about using it. I did not say that I was going out and buying Kurzweil right away either. For right now I just think I will look into it. I understand that if you have Open Book you can get a big discount on Kurzweil. Unfortunately, it is still expensive, so it is the less likely route I will go. Getting Word is more likely. However, until I do get Word and learn how to use it, I still say it won't work. In the meantime, though, I have some ideas about what I can do until I get into a position such that it will work and I will probably be back on the list with that later. First I have to confer with Rick at Bookshare again though.


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----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise Thompson" <deniset@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:45 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Problem with Open Book


Roger
you're digging yourself a hole here. Will you stop telling me it's
the same as the 27 step process and that bookshare says it won't
work. I use OB myself and I'm telling you it does work. Get yourself
an inexpensive copy of word and I'll help you with your issue. You
don't need pro or any of the rest of the suite just word. It'll be a
lot less expensive than Kursweil which is either $1200 or $1300.
This is what you do
The idea here is that when scanning into OB, don't make any line or
spacing changes until you're done. OB creates paragraphs by putting
two paragraph marks together which makes a blank line between
paragraphs. So you do what follows in the order I've specified. The
first step gets rid of the paragraph marks at the end of each line.
It uses the double marks to determine where the paragraphs are and
thereby eliminates those single paragraph marks. The second step gets
rid of the double paragraph marks leaving just one paragraph at the
end of the paragraph and gets rid of the extra blank line. If you do
the second step first, word has no way of determining which are the
marks within the paragraph. So it gets rid of all paragraph marks.
That's why you must do the first step listed first. If you do some of
the 27 step stuff before you do this it may throw it off. If you
convert the M dashes before the paragraph that won't hurt anything.
If you locate page breaks and eliminate blank lines at the top of the
page or something like that first it can goof uphow you want your
page numbers or chapter titles to be displayed. For example it may
pull the chapter to the same line as the page number. So you do this
first before you look for page breaks or any of that stuff. You do
this first before you do any other clean up and you're home free.
If you pull up a file into Word in which each line ends with a
paragraph mark and each paragraph ends with two or more paragraph marks:
1.    On the Edit Menu, choose Replace.
2.         In the Find What box, enter:
([!^13])(^13)([!^13])
In the Replace With box, enter:
\1 \3
Click the More.. button, and check Use Wildcards.
Click Replace All and click OK when Word tells you it has done the replacement.
This will remove any paragraph marks that are at the end of a line
but within a paragraph.
3.         Now, in the Find What box, enter:
^13{2,}
In the Replace With box, enter:
^p
Click Replace All and click OK when Word tells you it has done the replacement.
This will remove multiple consecutive paragraph marks, so that each
paragraph ends with just one paragraph mark, as it should.
Note that the Use Wildcards setting is sticky, so if you subsequently
do another Find and Replace during the same Word session, you have to
remember to switch it off again, if appropriate.

Denise





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