Roger, the end key is in the six-pack of keys. It is the middle key in the bottom row. Also, in Openbook a correct paragraph can be identified because there is a blank line between paragraphs.
Lori C.----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Problem with Open Book
Now we might be getting somewhere. I do scan two pages at a time and proof them before going on to the next two. The way I do it is to read them first in continuous read mode to look for anything that the spell check might not catch. Then I do a spell check to fix the problems that I passed by on the read because I knew the spell check would catch them. I already knew that I could eliminate those line breaks by arrowing to the end of each line and doing a back space to delete it and then replacing it with a space, but that sounded so tedious and time consuming that I thought if I did it I would be submitting a book about once a year if that often. I ordinarily proofread my emails and do a lot of arrowing to fix the typos and I do make quite a few typos. That adds a lot of time to composing an email. Your method sounds pretty time consuming too because it involves reading one line at a time and making a correction with each rather than continuously reading while stopping now and then to make an occasional correction, but there are other things that have been timeconsuming and once I got into the swing of it went pretty fast. If you say that it will add only a couple of minutes to each page I can at least give it a try. My question is which key is the end key? I would usually use the arrow keys to get to the end of a line one letter at a time and having to do it with each and every line would be maddening. Also, how do you know that you are not deleting a paragraph break that is supposed to be there? Is it just your judgement based on your knowledge of how paragraphs are constructed? If that is the case, I can imagine sitting there and taking a lot of time considering it and often making the wrong decision. Is it a matter of looking for indentation? If that is the case, I would imagine that it would take extra time using the arrow key on each line and then I am not real sure that the OCR is really good at preserving all the indents. At least, I have observed on a number of occasions that when a new quote starts, which is a signal for a new paragraph, there is not always an indentation._ _ _"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours"Stephen Roberts The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder Press: http://www.pathfinderpress.com Granma International: http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise Thompson" <deniset@xxxxxxx>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:06 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Problem with Open BookActually Roger I can tell you how to fix the problem within OB itself now that I know you scan a couple of pages then edit them. It takes longer and will add a couple of minutes or so a page, but I did this before I researched and found the other fix. If you read each page you've scanned, on each line hit the end key which takes you to the end of that line. hit the delete key. This brings the words on the next line up to that line you're on. Hit the space bar to put a space back in. By deleting the space and bringing the words up you are also deleting the paragraph mark that was there causing the words to flip to the next line. After you do that once, do it again on the same line. Usually you do this about twice on each line and it gets rid of the paragraph marks. When the line reaches the length it's supposed to be when you pull the words up from the next line it will delete the first letter of that word.hit the space bar and put the letter back on the word. This will make a line break instead of the paragraph mark. You have to do this on every line on the page. After you practice it gets pretty fast. It's just another workable option if you don't mind the extra time it will take you. Denise At 12:48 AM 4/7/2010, you wrote:It's up to you. I've told you how you can easily fix the problem. You can pick up a copy of word for probably $100 or less and keep using your OB 6. It's a rather inexpensive fix. Denise At 11:40 PM 4/6/2010, you wrote:The editing software I use to clean up my scans is Open Book 6, the same thing I scan them with. I think I have gotten pretty good at it too. I scan two pages at a time and proofread each and do a spell check on each before going on to the next two. Except for this one major problem I think I have gotten to the point that I am making near perfect submissions. It is a major problem though. It is looking like I will have to go back to proofing only. I think I will do some window shopping for new software though, maybe even including Word, maybe including Kurzweil. I am extremely hesitant though. For my own purposes, that is, non Bookshare purposes, this Open Book software is just fine with me. After all, why should I worry about a slight pause at the end of a line when I am reading bills or junk mail. _ _ _ "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours" Stephen Roberts The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder Press: http://www.pathfinderpress.com Granma International: http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise Thompson" <deniset@xxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:59 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Problem with Open BookNo that is not what I'm talking about. I don't use that 27 step method. I use certain steps within it, but what I'm talking about is not that it's a formula that I researched on how to get rid of unwanted paragraph marks when I started volunteering last year at about this time and found I was dealing with the same issue. And it works perfectly. I've scanned many books and every one of them since I learned what to do have been accepted and my proofers have not had to fix paragraph issues. However without word it's not going to work. What editing software do you use to clean up your scans? Denise At 10:47 PM 4/6/2010, you wrote:No, I do not have Word. I think you are talking about that 27 step process and that is what I was unable to accomplish because I do not have the right equipment. Besides the guy I was talking to from Bookshare said that is not an ideal solution either because it only eliminates about 80 to 90 per cent of the unwanted breaks. _ _ _ "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours" Stephen Roberts The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder Press: http://www.pathfinderpress.com Granma International: http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:00 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Problem with Open Book If I understand you, your scans come out as ark files. Can you convert them to Word/ Then you can save them rtf files. I can tell you how to get rid of the paragraph symbols at the end of the lines in Word, in one fell swoop, if you are careful. It it's what I did for a couple of your books when Carrie put them on the download list for me to fix Cindy Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and books-being-scanned list available at sites below Wish List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List Books Being Scanned List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List --- On Tue, 4/6/10, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Problem with Open Book To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 5:05 PM Some of you will remember that quite some time ago I had a problem with my Open Book 6 such that it was inserting paragraph breaks after every single line in my scans. After getting various suggestions on how to stop it and after none of them worked I finally gave up and just submitted them that way while placing a note in the comments section asking the proofreader to remove them. Since last night and into today I have been in telephone and email contact with both Bookshare and Freedom Scientific technical support. What it comes down to is that my solution is no longer exceptable. A lot of proofreaders have the same problem that I have in not having the software or expertise that allows those breaks to be easily removed and others either do not understand the problem or do not read the comments and submit what they think is a perfectly good proofed book and it has to be sent back. Even when a proofer uses the 27 step process described in the manual, that is not an ideal solution either. I have been told that for one thing it is an advanced technique that is beyond some proofers and for another thing it really only removes maybe 80 to 90 per cent of the unwanted breaks. What it comes down to is that I am going to have to solve the problem by either upgrading my software -- an expensive prospect that I would like to avoid -- or find a solution within my current software or else quit scanning and go back to proofreading. Even if it is a bit more work I prefer scanning because that way I am more likely to get to work on something I am actually interested in. When I skim the checkout list it is clear that most of you do not entirely share my tastes. Right now I would like to ask a couple of questions. First, since people come and go here I want to ask if there is anyone present now who knows how to make Open Book stop this. I doubt that I will get a satisfactory answer to that one because Freedom Scientific technical support today knew of no such settings either. Secondly, let me describe the next step that I have worked out with a certain Bookshare employee. The next step is that I should scan something in RTF rather than ARK and converting it. Now, once, a long time ago, I had the idea that since I had to convert it to RTF anyway I would just scan it that way in the first place. There was some kind of problem with that which I don't remember, but whatever it was I decided that it wouldn't work. Now I am trying again and I don't remember how. I went into my settings and changed the default format to RTF and then I created a new blank document, but when I looked at it it had an ARK extension. I went ahead and scanned a few pages into it and they still had the line break problem. I then converted it to RTF and it still had the line break problem. I then created a new document that turned out to have an ARK extension too and converted it to RTF while there was nothing in it. I then had a blank document with an RTF extension. I scanned a few pages into that and it still had the same problem. The guy at Bookshare said that he didn't really think that constituted scanning in RTF, so he asked me to ask the list how I could scan in RTF. Once I do so I am supposed to email the result to him. So, does anyone know how to do that? And let me add one more question. How much does it cost to upgrade to the latest version of Open Book and, if I went for Kurzweil instead, how much would they cost if I already have Open Book 6? I would hate to go that route because, even though I have added a few reasons for volunteering since I started, including that I just enjoy it, the main reason for becoming a volunteer in the first place was to accumulate credits and defray the cost of a subscription. I really don't have a lot of money to play with. _ _ _ "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. 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