[bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
- From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:34:57 -0700
Hi, Pavi, I'm very familiar with Braille books (obviously), and I'm
noticing a current practice which has been adopted; to wit, using both
Braille and print pagination in fiction books. I can understand using this
in non-fiction books, especially those where one must cite page numbers in a
research paper. I find print pagination in a fiction book to be slightly
distracting. Bookshare, of course, has to have the Braille and print
pagination so everything in a book is present and accounted for. With regard
to pagination prior to the first chapter of the text,I've noticed recent
books saying "p1, p3," etc. rather than "I, III" etc. I learned about Roman
numerals, and I think it serves well in the front of a book. If there is an
About the Author page in the back of the book which is unnumbered, I say
leave it unnumbered as it's a little afterthought and may be duplicated by
the prefatory material in the front of the book. Regards, Kim aka Ellinder.
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pavi Mehta
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:05 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
Hi All,
This thread has been great in that it's pointed out places where our
guidelines for page numbering could use some more detail.
Am including here a draft of some insertions that it would be great to have
feedback on before finalizing them for the manual.
Thanks,
Pavi
If only every other page is numbered in a book, should I number the left out
pages in the scanned file?
Yes. In such cases please insert page numbers where they are missing.
Guidelines for inserting page numbers in a book that has none:
When inserting page numbers in a book that has none please start page number
one with the main content of the book. Roman numerals can be used for all
pages preceding chapter 1 and for any end matter.
Bookshare Guidelines for dealing with Blank Pages:
Please retain all blank pages when scanning or proofreading a book for
Bookshare. To avoid confusion, all blank pages should be indicated in the
following manner: Open square bracket, type the phrase Blank Page, close
square bracket. Example: [BLANK PAGE]
Should Blank Pages be numbered?
Typically blank pages in the original book are not numbered, but are
accounted for in pagination. In order to make the approval process more
efficient, while proofreading books for Bookshare, please insert page
numbers on all blank pages.
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jill O'Connell
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:15 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
Rick, No wonder your book was such a joy to proofread.
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From: Rik James <mailto:rixmix2009@xxxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 11:30 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
The first book I ever submitted I did not know or ever even consider about
page numbers. I got a nice email from someone who was proofing asking me
what about pages such and such? I wondered to myself at first, what's the
big deal, the text is all good, and so on. Then soon I discovered she was
correct, there was some missing and some duplicates. So lesson learned. It
was quite a learning experience, and ever since I have paid close attention
to the page numbers as I scan a book and then look it over to see that it
all is there before I submit it. The person who actually has the book in
hand can save a lot of worry and problem solving by getting it right at the
front end of the project, I believe.
One thing I do now is to also look at the page numbers listed in the Table
of Contents when the book has one. To check to see if the page numbers for
the corresponding chapters fall on that page and that there is a page
number. Sometimes there is a blank page at the end of a chapter or between
them and it will not have a page number printed but it is part of the
pagination.
All of the business of how many pages your file has in your unit, that gets
sort of strange, and I always just look right away (so to speak, using
speech or whatever) to see where pagination begins in the book, with roman
numerals, or whatever. They are not always marked, yet may be reflected in
the table of contents. So I make sure as best I can that the pagination
works all like it is supposed to.
And I do move page numbers to the top even if they are at the bottom myself.
I know someone said they thought that might be changing too much from the
original. I have to say I do not think it does. In fact as a reader, if I
hear that the page number is at the end of a page I am usually fooled and am
thinking I am starting on the next page. Some good number of books from
Bookshare have two page numbers that do not match together in the text. I
don't know what is the reason this happens. I do get used to it, but it is a
bit confusing and I think, unnecessary if we who submit take on those tasks
early on and just pay attention as we go before submitting.
If I am out of line, sorry. Just going off what I have experienced thus far
in this little wee world of book scanning.
Thanks.
Rik
From: Mayrie <mailto:mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> ReNae
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 8:19 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
Hi Megan,
I have noticed that when Amazon gives a page count, it often includes
preliminary pages. Perhaps your page count will match if you add the number
of preliminary pages, and the number of pages of actual text?
Good luck!
Mayrie
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Megmil85@xxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:11 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
Yes, that's the one. It seems that the text portion has 164 pages, that's
the page count word and my BrailleNote gave me for the part without the
front matter but Amazon.com says it should have 176 so I'm not sure what the
inconsistency is related to. The book scanned great, no duplications or
omissions so I don't know if I should just insert page numbers at the top of
each page even though it'll come out shorter than it supposedly should be or
if we could/should go through and see what each page starts with.
I'm new at this, especially the page number policy, so just tell me
what I should do. Oh, can you do me two favors? Can you tell me what was on
the title page, they told me I needed to insert one before the copyright
when I tried to submit it this morning, how many Roman Numerals there are
and how many pages? I want to make sure I get the title page right and maybe
Amazon got the page count wrong. Thanks!
I loved this book, I have to say. I was surprised and had just gotten it
thinking it'd be an easy read, but I really enjoyed it.
In a message dated 6/1/2009 6:52:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
amber.wallens@xxxxxxxxx writes:
I think I scanned the book you are referring to, if it's Halloween Rain. I
have the book if there are any problems. I submitted it before BKS's page
number policy.
Amber
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