[bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
- From: Megmil85@xxxxxxx
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- Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:56:45 EDT
I think I have figured out something. You know when you enter the the ISBN
on Bookshare and it fills out the info for you? It shows 171 pages. If you
number each page starting at the beginning front matter, there would be 171
pages! So, I'm going to do it that way since Bookshare says there's 171
pages and that's what I get if I include every single page including front
and end matter and blank pages. I'll just start putting page numbers on where
the text starts which is on page 9. So, I'll leave the first 8 pages, the
front matter and blank page without numbers and start with putting a 9 on
the 9th page where the text of the book starts. I'll explain in the comments
section.
Megan
In a message dated 6/2/2009 5:43:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx writes:
As long as you want feedback here is my feedback. It has always bugged me,
even back when I was reading books in print and had never even thought of
the technology I am now using to read, that books would start their page
numbering on some page other than the first page. After all, aren't those
pages before page one pages too? There is nothing, however, that I could ever
do about it. In the case of a book that has no indication of where the page
numbering begins, though, it seems to me that is an opportunity to do
something. In a case like that I would be in favor of starting page one on page
one. For one thing, that would illiminate the distraction of Open Book
announcing one page while the book it is reading announces another page. It
would also illiminate having to keep in mind how many pages Open Book and the
book are out of sinc so that I can do the math every time I am inserting a
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[bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
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Great question Lori.
Let me try and clarify:
In some instances there are page numbers in the original text but these
numbers just don’t scan. In such cases, if the proofreader has access to
information
on where the numbering starts, via the volunteer who scanned the book or
another source then he/she should follow that numbering system.
However, in cases where there are no page numbers in the scanned file and
when either the proofreader has no way of obtaining information regarding
numbering
in the original text or when there are actually no page numbers in the
original text then Bookshare guidelines recommend starting page number one with
the main content of the book.
Basically we would like to have a standardized guideline for inserting
page numbers in such cases. That said, we are not attached to this particular
approach,
and if it makes more sense to have volunteers start page number one with
the very first page of the book rather than use roman numerals for
pre-chapter
1 pages then we can rewrite the guideline accordingly before finalizing it
for the manual. Please let me know what you think (and others please chime
in
if you have feedback).
All good things,
Pavi
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lori Castner
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:35 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
Pavi,
I do not understand this guideline:
When inserting page numbers in a book that has none please start page
number one
with the main content of the book.
Most books do not start the content with page 1--some start with 3, 5, or
7. If we always start with page 1, then our pagination may well not match
the
pagination of the print book, so what good is it?
Lori C.
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Pavi Mehta
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Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:05 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
Hi All,
This thread has been great in that it’s pointed out places where our
guidelines for page numbering could use some more detail.
Am including here a draft of some insertions that it would be great to
have feedback on before finalizing them for the manual.
Thanks,
Pavi
If only every other page is numbered in a book, should I number the left
out pages in the scanned file?
Yes. In such cases please insert page numbers where they are missing.
Guidelines for inserting page numbers in a book that has none:
When inserting page numbers in a book that has none please start page
number one with the main content of the book. Roman numerals can be used for
all pages
preceding chapter 1 and for any end matter.
Bookshare Guidelines for dealing with Blank Pages:
Please retain all blank pages when scanning or proofreading a book for
Bookshare. To avoid confusion, all blank pages should be indicated in the
following
manner: Open square bracket, type the phrase Blank Page, close square
bracket. Example: [BLANK PAGE]
Should Blank Pages be numbered?
Typically blank pages in the original book are not numbered, but are
accounted for in pagination. In order to make the approval process more
efficient,
while proofreading books for Bookshare, please insert page numbers on all
blank pages.
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jill O'Connell
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:15 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
Rick, No wonder your book was such a joy to proofread.
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From:
Rik James
To:
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Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 11:30 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
The first book I ever submitted I did not know or ever even consider about
page numbers. I got a nice email from someone who was proofing asking me
what
about pages such and such? I wondered to myself at first, what's the big
deal, the text is all good, and so on. Then soon I discovered she was
correct,
there was some missing and some duplicates. So lesson learned. It was
quite a learning experience, and ever since I have paid close attention to the
page numbers as I scan a book and then look it over to see that it all is
there before I submit it. The person who actually has the book in hand
can save
a lot of worry and problem solving by getting it right at the front end of
the project, I believe.
One thing I do now is to also look at the page numbers listed in the Table
of Contents when the book has one. To check to see if the page numbers
for the
corresponding chapters fall on that page and that there is a page number.
Sometimes there is a blank page at the end of a chapter or between them and
it will not have a page number printed but it is part of the pagination.
All of the business of how many pages your file has in your unit, that
gets sort of strange, and I always just look right away (so to speak, using
speech
or whatever) to see where pagination begins in the book, with roman
numerals, or whatever. They are not always marked, yet may be reflected in the
table
of contents. So I make sure as best I can that the pagination works all
like it is supposed to.
And I do move page numbers to the top even if they are at the bottom
myself. I know someone said they thought that might be changing too much from
the original.
I have to say I do not think it does. In fact as a reader, if I hear that
the page number is at the end of a page I am usually fooled and am thinking
I am starting on the next page. Some good number of books from Bookshare
have two page numbers that do not match together in the text. I don't know
what is the reason this happens. I do get used to it, but it is a bit
confusing and I think, unnecessary if we who submit take on those tasks early
on
and just pay attention as we go before submitting.
If I am out of line, sorry. Just going off what I have experienced thus
far in this little wee world of book scanning.
Thanks.
Rik
From:
Mayrie ReNae
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 8:19 PM
To:
bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers?
Hi Megan,
I have noticed that when Amazon gives a page count, it often includes
preliminary pages. Perhaps your page count will match if you add the number
of
preliminary pages, and the number of pages of actual text?
Good luck!
Mayrie
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Yes, that's the one. It seems that the text portion has 164 pages, that's
the page count word and my BrailleNote gave me for the part without the
front
matter but Amazon.com says it should have 176 so I'm not sure what the
inconsistency is related to. The book scanned great, no duplications or
omissions
so I don't know if I should just insert page numbers at the top of each
page even though it'll come out shorter than it supposedly should be or if we
could/should
go through and see what each page starts with.
I'm new at this, especially the page number policy, so just tell me what
I should do. Oh, can you do me two favors? Can you tell me what was on the
title page, they told me I needed to insert one before the copyright when
I tried to submit it this morning, how many Roman Numerals there are and how
many pages? I want to make sure I get the title page right and maybe
Amazon got the page count wrong. Thanks!
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thinking it'd be an easy read, but I really enjoyed it.
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amber.wallens@xxxxxxxxx writes:
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I think I scanned the book you are referring to, if it's Halloween Rain.
I have the book if there are any problems. I submitted it before BKS's
page number
policy.
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