Mmm, if you can cook, you've got one on me. I eat out a lot, rather than sample my own cooking. -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert Riddle Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:55 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Overly Helpful People Well, I do make a mean lasagne...and well, I'm a nice fella! Heh. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lora" <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:14 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Overly Helpful People > LOL. And what are your qualifications? <Smirking right back at ya* > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert > Riddle > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:11 AM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Overly Helpful People > > Hey Lora, I ain't married, smirk. Heh just kidding. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lora" <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:06 AM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Overly Helpful People > > > > Yes, if he'd asked, I would have told him, and under different > > circumstances, might even have chosen to hold hands. It's not > > nearly as effective, but on the other hand, we were only going a > > short distance. > > > > Communication is at the center of it all. And I suppose I'm not > > surprised that many people don't try to communicate; I don't think > > it's something Americans are really good at. > > > > Be that as it may, talk to me, folks, before you grab me, and we'll > > do > just > > fine. ;) > > > > Like Donna, I'll happily educate, and tell you what would be helpful. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Elizabeth > > and Burton > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:39 AM > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Overly Helpful People > > > > Under different circumstances I do a variety of things. That is the > > courtesous good part about asking. It gives the disabled person a > > chance > to > > do what works at the moment. > > > > E. > > At 02:27 AM 12/5/2006, you wrote: > > >No, same subject, different aspect. I think at CSUN a couple of > > >years ago I had to ask, or be told, how to guide Donna to the > > >restaurant. I didn't know whether she should take my arm or I > > >should take hers. She took charge and told me. I wouldn't think of > > >taking a person's hand, though, just because I don't think it's very effective. > > > > > >Cindy > > > > > >--- Lora <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > What you say is true. Regrettably, we live in a > > > > dangerous world. If I'd > > > > been more uneasy, I might have shoved him away, which could be > > > > dangerous for him in the middle of an intersection. > > > > > > > > I also think you're right about more physical contact. A new > > > > acquaintance, when offering to guide me in a restaurant (a > > > > courtesy I will accept, because the restaurants I tend to go to > > > > seem to have lots of cramped spaces and such), slipped my hand > > > > in his > to guide. > > > > I pulled my hand back and took his arm. I wouldn't have minded > > > > flirting with him, but he's married, and so even holding hands > > > > seems off limits to me. Maybe that's an entirely different > > > > subject, though. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > > > > Elizabeth and Burton > > > > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:23 PM > > > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Overly Helpful People > > > > > > > > Reality is grabbing someone, particularly a woman without asking > > > > first is a stressful and possibly dangerous experience for the > > > > person being grabbed. I understand the need to help. I will > > > > stress in the book what we all know and have been trying to > > > > stress and will use humor to do it. The human being is equipped > > > > with a mouth and the ability to use it. > > > > Please let's learn the > > > > following phrases. Repeat after me children: > > > > "May I pet your dog." > > > > "Do you need help." > > > > alternatives to "Do you need help" include "Are you all right?" > > > > > > > > The implicit thing often thought is "I am worried about you. Do > > > > you need help?" (can I stop worrying) and the other question is > > > > "I have nobody to help and here is a person I can help." I do > > > > not like this attitude much since I dislike being an object > > > > attracting folks who feel so non-needed and attracting them for > > > > their needs not my help By the way, you can tell that kind. > > > > Those are the ones who keep insisting and hang on after you have > > > > said you do not > need help. > > > > > > > > On a more ominous note, I think there are men who physically > > > > grab blind women for the same reason they would like to grab or > > > > touch a woman or any kind. You can tell this kind because he is > > > > the one who tries to cop a feel of my tit while I am hholding > > > > his arm to cross a street. > > > > > > > > Bottom line, I thin, is that anyone needs to be at least a bit > > > > concerned about somebody grabbing them particularly in > > > > situations where he might be trying to pick your pocket or such. > > > > The fact is many of that kind are put off some by dogs. > > > > > > > > I also think women who are blind get physically contacted more > > > > than do blind men. Somebody from AFB wrote a NY Times article > > > > about it a few years ago. > > > > I will do my best to get ahold of it. I want AFB in on the book > > > > project in some way, by the way. > > > > > > > > This thing really might take off. > > > > > > > > E. > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > > > > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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